Tactical Response at it again. Dangerous and Unprofessional ?

[indiucky]

I have so much sense it appears, to the outside observer, to be nonsensical.

Nicely played....

 

[Drail]

At Tactical Response they don't have time for any safety rules - because they're so tactical......... Idiots.......

 

[actaeon277]

Maybe you should carry another gun then.
That's Yeager's point, if you're not willng to drop your gun on the ground during training then you will not do so when a dozen of cops show up and tell you to drop your gun NOW.And you will end up shot by the police.

If you don't want any scratch on your "fighting weapon" maybe you should keep it in nice foam box, in your safe.

Couple of my brother's have been to Afghan and Iraq. I've seen pics of their guns and heard some stories.
As scratched up as their weapons got, none of the scratches came from mistreating their weapon unnecessarily.

 

[actaeon277]

All these 1911 fanboys not willing to drop their guns.


The point isn't that guns are tools and should be beat on. The point is that a fighting gun IS a tool. Which should be used and not worry about dings/scratches/gougues. You should know it inside and out. My favorite hammer isn't pristine and shiny. It's beat all to hell, from use and being inside a toolbox with wrenches and all sorts of odds and ins It's scratched, but it works.0 I'm pretty sure everyone is equating this analogy with gross negligence and care for a firearm. If you use a gun to train, it shouldn't look brand new. If you carry it, it shouldn't look brand new. Not saying that it can't look brand new, its just that more than likely it will get some carry wear.

A hammer is meant to strike objects. It's what it's designed to do.
If you strike the edges, it spalls. A single spall should not be too bad. But repeated spall can cause the hammer to fail, causing shards to go towards your eye.
So, do you intentionally strike your hammer so that it spalls? After all, a single spall will not likely cause the hammer to fail.

 

[Double T]

no I do not, but it most definitely has been used and has some. Different strokes for different folks though.

 

[churchmouse]

All these 1911 fanboys not willing to drop their guns.


The point isn't that guns are tools and should be beat on. The point is that a fighting gun IS a tool. Which should be used and not worry about dings/scratches/gougues. You should know it inside and out. My favorite hammer isn't pristine and shiny. It's beat all to hell, from use and being inside a toolbox with wrenches and all sorts of odds and ins It's scratched, but it works.0 I'm pretty sure everyone is equating this analogy with gross negligence and care for a firearm. If you use a gun to train, it shouldn't look brand new. If you carry it, it shouldn't look brand new. Not saying that it can't look brand new, its just that more than likely it will get some carry wear.

You drop your gun. I see absolutely no reason to.
I will not drop my CZ's so fan boy my butt.
I have some 1911's with "Mega" patina and I will not "Drop" them either.

If the time ever comes that I have to put it on the ground it will not be dropped.

 

[chezuki]

You drop your gun. I see absolutely no reason to.
I will not drop my CZ's so fan boy my butt.
I have some 1911's with "Mega" patina and I will not "Drop" them either.

If the time ever comes that I have to put it on the ground it will not be dropped.

Prissy boy...

 

[actaeon277]

Fluke multimeters are built like tanks.
Mine get's battered, gouged, scratched, even partially melted when I forget I shouldn't set it next to the liquid steel.
That doesn't mean I'm going to throw it to the ground, or kick it with my foot.

 

[Mark 1911]

Tools? Yes. But I don't treat any of my tools like garbage, whether it's a screwdriver or a gun.

I would be demanding a refund. But since I will never be one of their customers, that will never happen.

 

[Double T]

You drop your gun. I see absolutely no reason to.
I will not drop my CZ's so fan boy my butt.
I have some 1911's with "Mega" patina and I will not "Drop" them either.

If the time ever comes that I have to put it on the ground it will not be dropped.

Not trolling, but a for semi-serious question. Are these your EDC? Or are these range/game guns? I understand having wallhangers/trophy guns. Those really aren't your "fighting" guns though are they? If you have an old heirloom gun, I understand not dropping it. But I also understand you probably shouldn't be traiing with an heirloom. If you are in a defensive shooting, the gun will be seized, and come back beat up from storage and neglect. I have guns that I wouldn't use as "a beater" as well. We're talking EDC here though.

 

[Gluemanz28]

I think I can speak for just about all of the "I'm not throwing my gun on the ground for a training exercise" when I say we are talking about our EDC weapon not a tropy gun.

I do not consider throwing my gun on the ground to be sensible training or normal training wear.

 

[OakRiver]

My car is a tool to get me from Point A to Point B, I don't see the need to key it.

And Yeager has issued a response;
CRYBULLY: More on the Tactical Response Negligent Discharge

 

[Fargo]

This is a serious question and one much bigger than Yeager or Tactical Response.

Would you refuse to train with an instructor who did something stupid and had an ND? I wouldnt challenge you if you did. But it would rule out a lot of quality training. Travis Haley had one on video. Even Col Cooper had an ND in his office!

Ive never had an ND in over 30 years of shooting but in the same breath, id say that every time i handle a gun the potential is there and i need to handle it with that thought in mind. I do believe it can happen to anyone.

If this is being reported accurately, this wasn't a negligent discharge. Intentional stomping of a loaded weapon on gravel is taking a known advertent risk without justification and so would be reckless, not negligent.

In many states, Indiana included, this is a criminal offense if someone else's property is damaged as it was here. See IC 35-43-1-2.

Calling this a ND and attempting to analogize from it is painting it as something completely different than what it appears to have actually been.

 

[churchmouse]

Prissy boy...

"Butt Head".........

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Prissy boy...

That must have hurt when you pulled it back out.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Actually the fact that the quoted students seem to think a negligent discharge was no big deal is worrisome to me. Is this becoming a common belief in the shooting world?

Agreed!
Also, I'm wondering if they are showing all the responses.

 

[chezuki]

That must have hurt when you pulled it back out.

 

[chezuki]

I'm wondering if they are showing all the responses.

No, just the tactical ones...

 

[RobbyMaQ]

I'm all for getting down and dirty. Ain't afraid to drop my guns...

But with a bunch of others around, and not 'necessary'? I can see other viewpoints... a blue gun may be better suited for it during training.

 

[Dirtebiker]

This is a serious question and one much bigger than Yeager or Tactical Response.

Would you refuse to train with an instructor who did something stupid and had an ND? I wouldnt challenge you if you did. But it would rule out a lot of quality training. Travis Haley had one on video. Even Col Cooper had an ND in his office!

Ive never had an ND in over 30 years of shooting but in the same breath, id say that every time i handle a gun the potential is there and i need to handle it with that thought in mind. I do believe it can happen to anyone.

You're right, it CAN happen to any of us.
The problem is when we do things intentionally that raise the probability of bad things happening.
Accidents happen. Negligence goes way beyond accidental!