So you pull your gun..

[esrice]

There is something...Try hunting.

As long as you're what's being hunted.

 

[mbills2223]

I hope you just forgot the purple on this one. That's a pretty irresponsible answer if you are serious.

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Look at his post history. I'm afraid he's quite serious.

 

[mbills2223]

This.

I only wish there were some kind of realistic, stress-inducing, yet non-lethal way to train for these situations. Like something that would put you in different scenarios and force you to make snap decisions under pressure that could later be discussed and evaluated to determine what could have been done differently to influence a more positive outcome...

If only...

I see what you did there, and I applaud you, chezuki. esrice is cool too, I guess...

 

[dmonsche]

I'd definitely report it. If I need draw it's a serious situation and needs to be reported.

 

[Sticky]

I am rather fond of this old post on the (related) subject: Street robberies and you - The Basics - AR15.COM .

 

[Scout]

This.

I only wish there were some kind of realistic, stress-inducing, yet non-lethal way to train for these situations. Like something that would put you in different scenarios and force you to make snap decisions under pressure that could later be discussed and evaluated to determine what could have been done differently to influence a more positive outcome...

If only...

I used to play paintball a lot. I learned to to watch everything and not stay focused on just one person, as well as be ready for anything. Of course I tried a few suicide runs and hit every time.

 

[rhino]

I've been in a few situations where I believed I would need my gun immediately (twice I was in a vehicle) and the gun was out of the holster, that later turned out to be a non-threat. Fortunately I never had to orient the muzzle toward the threat. I've been in a few (the most recent a few weeks ago in a parking lot leaving the movies) where I had my hand in a firing grip, but no one who was not educated would have perceived what I was really doing. The difference was time and distance. The more I had, the more likely I was to keep it in the holster.

 

[dmarsh8]

As stated earlier no actual brandishing statute for Indiana.
Here's an example of when it's legal. not an actual scenario although Guy told us
if they are stealing your car for example


IC 35-41-3-3
Use of force relating to arrest or escape
**** Sec. 3. (a) A person other than a law enforcement officer is justified in using reasonable force against another person to effect an arrest or prevent the other person's escape if:
********(1) a felony has been committed; and
********(2) there is probable cause to believe the other person committed that felony.
However, such a person is not justified in using deadly force unless that force is justified under section 2 of this chapter.
Hopefully this helps
Fell free to elaborate etc

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

As stated earlier no actual brandishing statute for Indiana.
Here's an example of when it's legal. not an actual scenario although Guy told us
if they are stealing your car for example


IC 35-41-3-3
Use of force relating to arrest or escape
**** Sec. 3. (a) A person other than a law enforcement officer is justified in using reasonable force against another person to effect an arrest or prevent the other person's escape if:
********(1) a felony has been committed; and
********(2) there is probable cause to believe the other person committed that felony.
However, such a person is not justified in using deadly force unless that force is justified under section 2 of this chapter.
Hopefully this helps
Fell free to elaborate etc

Guy told you you could use deadly force on someone that was stealing your car?

 

[dmarsh8]

Guy told you you could use deadly force on someone that was stealing your car?

No not force. i was afraid of that sorry just the draw/point..Like citizens arrest. Obviously they may not comply

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

No not force. i was afraid of that sorry just the draw/point..Like citizens arrest. Obviously they may not comply

So what do you do when you draw and they don't comply?

 

[dmarsh8]

So what do you do when you draw and they don't comply?

Get on the phone right? Would you agree? I am asking
I'm no expert just referencing my notes.
My point was about the act of pointing/when it could be justified.

 

[Glock19]

If i am serious enough to draw my weapon in fear for my life, something serious has to happen for me to let the guy get away without me shooting them.... If I am drawing my weapon im planning on using it most times...no warning shots, no "FREEZE", im in fear for my life, im not hesitating.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

If i am serious enough to draw my weapon in fear for my life, something serious has to happen for me to let the guy get away without me shooting them.... If I am drawing my weapon im planning on using it most times...no warning shots, no "FREEZE", im in fear for my life, im not hesitating.

That attitude will get you sent to prison, especially if you are "in fear of your life" over your property being stolen. I could have shot the ****stick that tried to steal my truck and come up with some bull**** story about how I thought he was going to kill me as he was running away, but I wasn't about to test the waters.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Get on the phone right? Would you agree? I am asking
I'm no expert just referencing my notes.
My point was about the act of pointing/when it could be justified.

How you proceed after you threaten it is up to you.

 

[dmarsh8]

How you proceed after you threaten it is up to you.

not asking for you to tell me what to do,but what you would.
i didn't say i would draw mine either nor, to be perfectly clear Guy didn't recommend it either, he was trying to give example.
but if i understand the code correctly its not just automatically illegal right?


an example of what i was thinking is when we read in Rifleman or concealed carry magazine about
self defense situations and it will say they were held at gunpoint until the cops arrived. Assume its IN and
according to IN code
do they get in trouble? I've never heard of it happening but not sure.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

not asking for you to tell me what to do,but what you would.
i didn't say i would draw mine either nor, to be perfectly clear Guy didn't recommend it either, he was trying to give example.
but if i understand the code correctly its not just automatically illegal right?


an example of what i was thinking is when we read in Rifleman or concealed carry magazine about
self defense situations and it will say they were held at gunpoint until the cops arrived. Assume its IN and
according to IN code
do they get in trouble? I've never heard of it happening but not sure.

How I respond depends on whether I'm on-duty or off-duty. On-duty I have other resources available to me if I am attempting to apprehend someone suspected of a crime. Off-duty I can either act like the police or an average joe citizen, depending on the situation. When the ****stick tried to steal my truck I had my gun at the ready in case he presented a threat to me, but it was put away as soon as he turned tail and ran away.

I've never heard of anyone holding a felon at gunpoint being prosecuted. The INGO lawyers may have examples where it has happened, but I personally have no knowledge of it.

 

[dmarsh8]

How I respond depends on whether I'm on-duty or off-duty. On-duty I have other resources available to me if I am attempting to apprehend someone suspected of a crime. Off-duty I can either act like the police or an average joe citizen, depending on the situation. When the ****stick tried to steal my truck I had my gun at the ready in case he presented a threat to me, but it was put away as soon as he turned tail and ran away.

I've never heard of anyone holding a felon at gunpoint being prosecuted. The INGO lawyers may have examples where it has happened, but I personally have no knowledge of it.

makes perfect sense to me. im not going to jail even if they do take my property. i pay for insurance
i may try to keep them in sight if safely possible so i can help LEO's locate them better/faster.
Thanks for the discussion frankn, thats why im on here... to learn.

 

[MCgrease08]

I am rather fond of this old post on the (related) subject: Street robberies and you - The Basics - AR15.COM .

That is an amazing read. Thanks for posting the link.

 

[IN_Sheepdog]

You have to consider HOW a COMPLAINT is handled... by the police AND by the courts. To draw a weapon and NOT then make a report (as soon as safe and practical) is setting YOU to be the bad guy, not the perp... When a 911 call is received to law enforcement it is logged as the complainant, (ie. victim status) and subsequent calls are going to be considered additional information (Witnesses) or opposing reports (ie. the perp)...

In the case of not calling, let's say two or three witnesses DO call 911, and report the MWAG and your description. If there is no previous or concurrent report from you stating the events, you have now been "Labeled" the BG. (because witnesses are never wrong...)

Even worse then is if the Perp, realizing that you are just going back to business as usual, calls 9-1-1 as well. "This guy pulled a gun on me and was going to rob me" again with your description... End result... enjoy your stay at the local lockup because now it has turned into a your word against his, (AND the Witnesses) and the common thinking is that IF you were in fact in fear for your life, then it would be consistent (and responsible) human behavior to those responding, (and those eventually sitting in a jury box) that a 911 call would be made.

Yes there are a number of caselaw reports where similar type scenarios have not gone well for the Victim... I don't often use unequivocal statements, but if the Gun comes out, You better darn well get something made of record on it or it could be you doing the explaining instead of the BG.

AIAAL IANYL, YMMV...




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