School Zones MEH!

[Hornett]

This has been discussed, but I am very unhappy with the current state of the law.
The new "Parking Lot Bill" specifically excluded schools.
I have a son that participates in sports and the way the law is written practically excludes carrying at all.

I can take someone to school and drop them off with my handgun on me and be perfectly legal.
But say we are going to a basketball game.
The minute I leave my handgun in the car and walk in to the game, I am in violation of the law.
I guess you can park off campus but, that can possibly be a 1/2 mile away (or more).
Let's not even talk about away games...

There has to be a better answer.
This is not working.
Maybe check guns at the gate like a casino...

I just had to vent a little.

 

[AFA1CY]

Just need to repeal the entire school no carry law.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

OP: Just be sure you're not confusing an institution of higher learning with an actual school as defined by the Indiana Code (public/private K-12, licensed day cares, licensed pre-schools, and Head Start)

-J-

 

[bigiron]

i have the same problem and i see no solution. they'll fight hell trying to overturn the school laws. parking off campus is the only answer but then you leave yourself unprotected in what could be a crappy neighborhood during your walk. i wish they would repeal the law as well but for now we have to suffer. write your representative!

 

[dbd870]

Just need to repeal the entire school no carry law.

Indeed - that is going to a be a tough battle.

 

[melensdad]

Just need to repeal the entire school no carry law.

Full repeal will be tough. I suggest we take a page from the playbook of the gun banners. Baby steps got us these bad laws, a little bit at a time. We can use baby steps to remove them too.

We already have the right to carry onto school property inside our cars if we are transporting someone to the school. The next step would be to allow people with a valid carry license to lock the gun in the car and exit the car.

 

[Rizzo]

You have a right to own and carry a firearm and the constitution says the government cannot restrict that right. All laws to the contrary are in violation of your right as a free human being and in violation of the US Constitution.

Start voting ONLY for men and women who will FORCE the government to follow the Bill of Rights. Anything less is to betray the people who died to secure these freedoms and deny liberty to our children and grandchildren.

A people will be free or driven toward ever increasing slavery. There is no compromise position where some liberty lost will be the last liberty lost. One denial of freedom leads to another. Tyranny grows like a cancer. Oppression spreads from one area to another. It must be totally removed. You are either living free or moving toward ever increasing tyranny and bondage.

A people who's selfish goal is personal prosperity, ease of living, and security will in the end be slaves to tyrants.

A people who's goal is freedom for all will in the end enjoy the fruits of liberty which are prosperity, ease of living and security.

 

[Hornett]

IndyGuy77. No this is a high school.

We already have the right to carry onto school property inside our cars if we are transporting someone to the school. The next step would be to allow people with a valid carry license to lock the gun in the car and exit the car.

I agree with that.

How about this the code reads as follows:

Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has been employed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or

So, how would one go about getting authorized.
Even if it was to just keep my gun in a locked safe in the car.\
If I can get authorized, that would be neat. hmmmmm
How crazy am I?

 

[Paco Bedejo]

i have the same problem and i see no solution. they'll fight hell trying to overturn the school laws.

You have the right to not participate in the social program known as public schooling, though...you still get to fund it. My biggest issue is that private schools are included in the K-12 BS.

I'll be home schooling.

 

[jedi]

So, how would one go about getting authorized.
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Your school board would have to do the "authorizing" & to date I have not heard of such a case occuring for an "individual" @ a public school. There is one case (on INGO) in which a member got his church to authorize him and several others to carry while in the church (physcially) building during services for the protection of the entire church. Note the church does have a school (K-6 me think) on the property and these individuals were going to CC me thinks. Can't find the thread.

In any case back to your question I thought it very much that the school board will give you the OK. Guns afterall are very evil and GLOCKs go BOOM! when you even look at them.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

So, how would one go about getting authorized.

Your school board would have to do the "authorizing" & to date I have not heard of such a case occuring for an "individual" @ a public school. There is one case (on INGO) in which a member got his church to authorize him and several others to carry while in the church (physcially) building during services for the protection of the entire church. Note the church does have a school (K-6 me think) on the property and these individuals were going to CC me thinks. Can't find the thread.

In any case back to your question I thought it very much that the school board will give you the OK. Guns afterall are very evil and GLOCKs go BOOM! when you even look at them.

Our church, which has a licensed day care and such, is soon to be granting several of us permission to act as "security", and therefore authorization to possess and/or carry while there. It was probably a thread started by me or a few of my fellow church-members.

-J-

ETA, not sure, but I think that the principal has the authority, not the board. I am NOT sure about that, though.

 

[youngda9]

I would be interested to hear more about this. I have the same dillema with my child at a church day care center. I cannot leave in car there due to the laws. I am curious if the head of the day care center has the authority to authorize this. What says who has the authority to "authorize" carry on the premesis? Please cite thread if there is more information somewhere else.

 

[eldirector]

This one gripes me all the time as well. Do you know the other class of citizen barred from schools? Sex Offenders. Yep, that's right. Sex Offenders and Otherwise Legal (LTCH) Citizens can't be on school property. It is your right to carry, but you will get hit with a class D felony if caught on school property. Sex Offenders also get a class D on school property. Sex Offenders have to register with the State, same as LTCH. Until recently, both LTCH and Offender registries were public info. Both aren't welcome in Indy Parks, either...

I'm tired of being treated like a criminal. How about you?

</rant off>

In the meantime, I park off-site at school and church (they have a licensed daycare/preschool), and lock everything up.

The code seems pretty vague on who can "authorize". Reads like any agent of the school.

 

[So IN Dude]

Say you are dropping your kid off at school and someone runs into your car, you are in a wreck, you cannot get out of your car on shool property, what are you supposed to do?????

 

[jedi]

Say you are dropping your kid off at school and someone runs into your car, you are in a wreck, you cannot get out of your car on shool property, what are you supposed to do?????

1) Call the police on the non-emergency line about the fender bender to file a report
2) Stay in your car and wait until the other driver comes to your window & inform them that you called the police to file the accident
3) Wait until the police arrive and I (for me in this case) I would inform the police that I have a LTCH and have my weapon with me and have not stepped out of the car due to the "narrow" expection to the law and see what s/he wants me to do.

If the LEO wants me to step out of the car then "technically" while you are breaking the law me would think that the orders of the LEO would superceed the law since you have to do (within reason) what the LEO says.

 

[bigiron]

You have the right to not participate in the social program known as public schooling, though...you still get to fund it. My biggest issue is that private schools are included in the K-12 BS.

I'll be home schooling.

yeppie! i private school my kiddos and i pay a high price(before anyone jumps me i know its my choice, so BACK OFF!). i still get to fund the public schools. i agree its BS that those laws still affect privately funded schools but i guess it is what it is. home school sounds like fun but i would be a crappy principal.

 

[minuteman32]

Just need to repeal the entire school no carry law.

Perhaps we could at least get, " or has valid license to carry a handgun", added to the list of exceptions.

 

[Rizzo]

"The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State."
INDIANA CONSTITUTION
Article 1 - Bill of Rights - Section 32

Any law that inhibits our right to "bear" a firearm is in violation of the Federal and State Constitution. In other words... our laws about not bearing arms on publicly owned school property are illegal.

 

[minuteman32]

Any law that inhibits our right to "bear" is unconstitutional both federally and by the Indiana state constitution. In other words... our laws about public owned schools are unconstitutional. They are illegal.

I agree 100%! Unfortunately, I don't have deep enough pockets or want to risk losing my right to bear arms (due to the felony conviction that would follow) to be the test case & have the law struck down. Considering past IN Court rulings on IN gun laws (that requiring a license to carry is constitutional, even though the VT courts have ruled that their very similarly worded constitution would be violated by a similar requirement), I wouldn't trust them to rule correctly, either.

 

[Rizzo]

Change your vote.

EXACTLY that is why we MUST stop voting for these traitors from both political parties and start voting in men and women who will actually follow the law (constitution) and uphold freedom.

We shouldn't fear them. They should fear us. Sad.

There are people who believe in liberty running but do we vote for them? NOOOO! We always vote for the lesser of two evils and wonder why everything is always moderately evil.

It's time for our voting habits to radically change in America. We have already compromised ourselves too much. If we don't stop this now... we'll constantly be wondering... "can I fart here or will I be fined for it?"

They make tax law and gun law purposefully confusing so they can arbitrarily decide to enforce it if we step out of line in some other way. Most americans are so confused by tax law they are either paying way too much or not enough and don't even know. And if the IRS comes after them the law is so intricate they couldn't understand it to defend themselves. It's too confusing to even obey. I can't decide if it's just the fruit of over regulation or if there is a sinister motive to make it impossible to understand and obey so they can come back on us with some technicality if they ever want to shut up our voice against them.

Good grief, the treasury secretary couldn't even understand or obey it.