SBS Law Change?

[barryG]

Ron at His and Her Target Sports mentioned that the restrictions on Short Barreled Shotguns in Indiana was going to be overturned soon. Is there any validity to it or is it just gun shop talk?

 

[shooter521]

Ron at His and Her Target Sports mentioned that the restrictions on Short Barreled Shotguns in Indiana was going to be overturned soon. Is there any validity to it or is it just gun shop talk?

I'm not aware of anything official, but do know of some back-channel stuff going on that could eventually lead to that. And no, I am not at liberty to discuss.

Really, it would be a simple matter of making the SBS language mirror the machine gun language in the Indiana Code; that is, it's illegal except if it is registered as required by federal law. Not so much changing or rewriting as removing an inconsistency. All we'd need is the right legislator to champion the cause. Of course, if Pat Bauer has anything to say about it, such a measure would likely never see the light of day. But we got the lifetime LTCH and the carry in state parks provisions passed, so hope springs eternal...

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

Yeah, if there ever were an asinine law, considering what we CAN have...

The SBS law is it. That, and automatic knives.

Can own a machine gun...and I can carry about my person as many handguns as I have the capability to carry... But heaven forbid I have an automatically opening knife! (or throwing star...ahem)

 

[DaKruiser]

What's up with the throwing star anyways. Some body watch to many ninja movies?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The talk is precatory at this point.

 

[glocktoys]

so if it does get changed can you convert a aow to a sbs?

 

[curraheeguns]

so if it does get changed can you convert a aow to a sbs?

Yes, but you would have to go through the whole Form 1 process, pay the $200, engrave it and the whole bit.

 

[yenningcomity]

But we got the lifetime LTCH and the carry in state parks provisions passed, so hope springs eternal...

Not to thread jack but did I miss something?
I was in clifty falls yesterday and the map clearly stated that guns had to be locked in a box, unloaded, or used for an approved park activity. So where does this carry in parks bit come in?

 

[Scutter01]

Not to thread jack but did I miss something?
I was in clifty falls yesterday and the map clearly stated that guns had to be locked in a box, unloaded, or used for an approved park activity. So where does this carry in parks bit come in?

Clifty Falls is managed by the Army Corps of Engineers and is therefore Federally-managed property and off-limits. Otherwise, for State Parks, the DNR administrative rule (NOT LAW) banning firearms was removed by Gov. Daniels effective in 2006.

 

[shooter521]

Clifty Falls is managed by the Army Corps of Engineers and is therefore Federally-managed property and off-limits. Otherwise, for State Parks, the DNR administrative rule (NOT LAW) banning firearms was removed by Gov. Daniels effective in 2006.

NRA-ILA :: Governor Daniels to Declare Restoration of Gun Rights in Indiana!

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

Clifty Falls is managed by the Army Corps of Engineers and is therefore Federally-managed property and off-limits. Otherwise, for State Parks, the DNR administrative rule (NOT LAW) banning firearms was removed by Gov. Daniels effective in 2006.

You're thinking about Falls of the Ohio.

Clifty Falls SP is just another run-of-the-mill State Park. Handing out old literature that doesn't reflect the 2006 change in administrative rules.

-J-

 

[Bill of Rights]

I'm not aware of anything official, but do know of some back-channel stuff going on that could eventually lead to that. And no, I am not at liberty to discuss.

Really, it would be a simple matter of making the SBS language mirror the machine gun language in the Indiana Code; that is, it's illegal except if it is registered as required by federal law. Not so much changing or rewriting as removing an inconsistency. All we'd need is the right legislator to champion the cause. Of course, if Pat Bauer has anything to say about it, such a measure would likely never see the light of day. But we got the lifetime LTCH and the carry in state parks provisions passed, so hope springs eternal...

The state park thing was within the DNR and the House never saw it, and IIRC, the LLTCH went through with Bosma as Speaker. We definitely need Bauer gone. It would be very nice to see yet another law that gets in the way of the citizens and serves no good purpose removed from the books.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Scutter01]

You're thinking about Falls of the Ohio.

Clifty Falls SP is just another run-of-the-mill State Park. Handing out old literature that doesn't reflect the 2006 change in administrative rules.

-J-

I'm not thinking of the Falls of Ohio (never been there), but that doesn't mean I'm not mis-remembering the Clifty Falls bit. I was sure I saw an ACOE sign there the last time I went. Maybe I'm thinking of another park.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

I'm not thinking of the Falls of Ohio (never been there), but that doesn't mean I'm not mis-remembering the Clifty Falls bit. I was sure I saw an ACOE sign there the last time I went. Maybe I'm thinking of another park.

Other than Falls of the Ohio, all other state-park / ACoE properties in Indiana are associated with managed reservoirs.

You might've seen a sign on or near the Jefferson Proving Ground, which the ACoE is in charge of due to it being a former military installation.

 

[alfahornet]

Clifty Falls is managed by the Army Corps of Engineers and is therefore Federally-managed property and off-limits. Otherwise, for State Parks, the DNR administrative rule (NOT LAW) banning firearms was removed by Gov. Daniels effective in 2006.

I thought Obama signed the bill into law that allowed carrying in National Parks provided you're allowed to carry in the state they're in. Where's the difference?

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

I thought Obama signed the bill into law that allowed carrying in National Parks provided you're allowed to carry in the state they're in. Where's the difference?

The difference is State Parks aren't the same as ACoE-managed lands/reservoirs aren't the same as National Parks aren't the same as National Forests...

 

[singlestacksig]

http://www.in.gov/dnr/parklake/files/clifty_falls_trail.pdf
"Any firearm (except validly licensed handguns) BB
gun, air gun, CO2 gun, bow and arrow, or spear gun
in possession in a state park must be unloaded or
un-nocked and stored in a case or locked within a
vehicle except when the owner is participating in an..."

 

[Scutter01]

Other than Falls of the Ohio, all other state-park / ACoE properties in Indiana are associated with managed reservoirs.

You might've seen a sign on or near the Jefferson Proving Ground, which the ACoE is in charge of due to it being a former military installation.

I just remembered, it was Lieber State Recreation Area, specifically the dam near the entrance (not the entire park). There are signs there stating that it's managed by the ACOE.

 

[Zoub]

OK, so if I am reading thils right, I can carry an SBS in a State Park as long as it is concealed.

Patiently waiting for change.

 

[barryG]

OK, so if I am reading thils right, I can carry an SBS in a State Park as long as it is concealed.

Patiently waiting for change.

LOL!

Thanks for the replies to my original question. After that, I really don't care which direction the thread goes