SB 577 To Cut Veteran's Benefits in IN.

[Mike H]

This is all "funny money". The child receives a tuition fee waiver. No money changes hands. Hard to understand a veteran introducing such legislation. Must be his kids didn't qualify for the program.

As a DV who has kids that attempted to go to college, "money is exchanged" between the State of In. and the educational institution. They are reimbursed for tuition and fees.

 

[Pocketman]

As a DV who has kids that attempted to go to college, "money is exchanged" between the State of In. and the educational institution. They are reimbursed for tuition and fees.

Interesting. My son attended four years of college under this program and I specifically asked about the exchange of money.

Regardless, I find it interesting that "conservatives" are introducing this type of legislation. Requiring classes for marriage licenses is another government involvement where it doesn't need to be.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

State schools should not cost what they do anyway.

Change per credit hour blanketed charges to reflect the cost of the classes taken. (English classes that only cost a teacher should not cost the same amount as a doctorate medical class that requires X more funding)

If higher learning was not ridiculously out of hand, this would not even be an issue.

 

[mammynun]

My letter to my Senator. I also sent one to my Representitive.

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As a hard working, self employed, disabled veteran, I urge you to vote against SB 577.

My daughter turns 16 this year, has very good grades, and wants to go to college. I can not afford to count on scholarships. I hope that I can count on my service to my country to be more valuable to the state of Indiana than the education of a convicted felon.





Ron Grooms
State Senator
200 West Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN 46204
(317) 234-9425

senator.grooms@iga.in.gov

 

[nawainwright]

Sorry, I find myself in the position of saying this money shouldn't be going to either group. I'm all for paying for the expenses of disabled vets, but I don't think the taxpayer should be on the hook for their kids college. I have friends who are in college under this program right now....their parents are taking advantage of a program they don't need. I don't know how the father is disabled, but he works a govt job full time in carmel. Can't support it.

 

[CVMA544]

Sorry, I find myself in the position of saying this money shouldn't be going to either group. I'm all for paying for the expenses of disabled vets, but I don't think the taxpayer should be on the hook for their kids college. I have friends who are in college under this program right now....their parents are taking advantage of a program they don't need. I don't know how the father is disabled, but he works a govt job full time in carmel. Can't support it.

SO your saying that a DV (Who can't work) and his family (kids) should just get used to being poor and are some how now second class citizens (by virtue of the parent being stupid enough to defend the country) and should not have a chance to the kind of life that the non vet who didn't put his arse on the line.

You see I made on average 75-80k a year before I volunteered to serve in Iraq. Now the VA pays me about 34-35k a year. And while waiting for that to start I was 6 months behind on just about every bill, almost lost the house.



Gosh thanks

 

[E5RANGER375]

Sorry, I find myself in the position of saying this money shouldn't be going to either group. I'm all for paying for the expenses of disabled vets, but I don't think the taxpayer should be on the hook for their kids college. I have friends who are in college under this program right now....their parents are taking advantage of a program they don't need. I don't know how the father is disabled, but he works a govt job full time in carmel. Can't support it.

WHAT!?!?!?!?!

I just cant even begin to comment on your post just right now.
(strong language)
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[ihateiraq]

Sorry, I find myself in the position of saying this money shouldn't be going to either group.

thanks for your service.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

Why should the disabled vet feel like their child's college expenses are theirs to cover? I know that in our current system, that is what it boils down to... but should it? What happened to the dream of achievement through hard work and dedication?

 

[CVMA544]

Why should the disabled vet feel like their child's college expenses are theirs to cover? I know that in our current system, that is what it boils down to... but should it? What happened to the dream of achievement through hard work and dedication?

I can only speak for myself, my father used his GI Bill after WWII.

My brother used his after Vietnam.

I used mine after the First Gulf War. (At 29 with 2 kids and worked too)

I told my kids I earned mine they can earn theirs, they did. So the program for my kids is a moot point.

I know that while I was active Army alot of enlisted folks paid for their kids education so that they wouldn't have to be an enlisted soldier or so they wouldn't have to be a soldier if they didn't want to, some of the Officers didn't want their kids to be enlisted. (Personally I loved being a NCO)

I guess the answer is because they want their kids to do better than they did?

 

[nawainwright]

SO your saying that a DV (Who can't work) and his family (kids) should just get used to being poor and are some how now second class citizens (by virtue of the parent being stupid enough to defend the country) and should not have a chance to the kind of life that the non vet who didn't put his arse on the line.

You see I made on average 75-80k a year before I volunteered to serve in Iraq. Now the VA pays me about 34-35k a year. And while waiting for that to start I was 6 months behind on just about every bill, almost lost the house.



Gosh thanks

And this is why nothing ever gets cut in the federal budget. What do you want me to say? Thanks for your service. I will say that. Thank You. Does it change my opinion? No. For some reason you seem to think that I am picking on you. Do I like the idea that I've paid in to Social Security for 15 years and will pay into it for another 35 and not get a dime? No. There are lots of things in this world that we don't like, get used to it.

Maybe the issue is that DV who can't work should be paid the average US wage, that I could support. But giving your kids money to go to college while I had to pay for mine with student loans, is garbage. My parents made too much money for me to get any grants, but too little to help pay for college, so I had to do it on my own. I don't understand why you think that your kids should get a free ride. I'm NOT sorry your entitlement might go away, but I certainly don't want it to go to convicts either.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

I can only speak for myself, my father used his GI Bill after WWII.

My brother used his after Vietnam.

I used mine after the First Gulf War. (At 29 with 2 kids and worked too)

I told my kids I earned mine they can earn theirs, they did. So the program for my kids is a moot point.

I know that while I was active Army alot of enlisted folks paid for their kids education so that they wouldn't have to be an enlisted soldier or so they wouldn't have to be a soldier if they didn't want to, some of the Officers didn't want their kids to be enlisted. (Personally I loved being a NCO)

I guess the answer is because they want their kids to do better than they did?

While the GI bill is an option for many young men and women to afford college, and I do believe that is a respectable way to earn your keep.. Limits imposed by congress dictate how many people may enlist and earn GI bills, so that can never apply to everyone.

So should a child's future be based solely on the savings and outlook of their parents?

I just feel it is a small part of a much larger systemic issue.

 

[nawainwright]

WHAT!?!?!?!?!

I just cant even begin to comment on your post just right now.
(strong language)

Listen, you don't have to agree with me. Again, I am all for veterans getting compensated for their service. Never said otherwise. I am for their families being taken care of while they are in the service and while they are minors. I am not for their children getting government subsidies after they reach their majority for college. If the kids want to serve then HECK YES, they should get the benefits that are rightly granted to military personal. Otherwise, they should have to figure it out like the rest of us. Saving, working, loans, grants, etc.

If you want to discuss the ridiculous cost of going to college, I'm up for that as well. Its rising at a ridiculous rate and mostly to pad the pockets of the left leaning pencil pushers who can't get a real job.

 

[CVMA544]

And this is why nothing ever gets cut in the federal budget. What do you want me to say? Thanks for your service. I will say that. Thank You. Does it change my opinion? No. For some reason you seem to think that I am picking on you. Do I like the idea that I've paid in to Social Security for 15 years and will pay into it for another 35 and not get a dime? No. There are lots of things in this world that we don't like, get used to it.

Maybe the issue is that DV who can't work should be paid the average US wage, that I could support. But giving your kids money to go to college while I had to pay for mine with student loans, is garbage. My parents made too much money for me to get any grants, but too little to help pay for college, so I had to do it on my own. I don't understand why you think that your kids should get a free ride. I'm NOT sorry your entitlement might go away, but I certainly don't want it to go to convicts either.

First this is a state program.

I don't think your picking on me, for if you read the thread you would have seen the program doesn't apply to me or my kids.

I am 100% disabled from combat related injuries during my tour in Iraq.
My son has two tours in Iraq.
My daughter has one tour in Iraq.
My ex son in law and Grandsons father has two tours in Iraq, one of which he served with me.
My second Grandson's father was KIA in Iraq on his second tour.

Of course I guess your right in some ways about paying for yours and yours kids college as you and your kids could take the oath, stand a post, and / or engage the enemy and get the GI Bill....problem sovled, I mean thats how my family does it.

So IF this is to be the way it is then give NO grants, NO govt back loans, NO federal assistance what so ever to anyone.

Then I guess recuiting would either increase and/or only the ruling class could afford to send their kids to school and then we could all be kept in our place.

Follow that up with not paying basketball coaches 1.2 mil a year to coach college basketball, and six figure salaries for the rest of the atheltic staff and the state would have the money to fund the program or part of it.

Oh, one other thing, what about my Grandson who's father was KIA, should he not get any help? (Of course that falls under another program that is a federal program, well better cut that too?)

Some of us took time out of our lives to insure that the call to arms was met. (Regardless of what one thinks of the war)

Now since some can't pay for their kids education because of that service, I don't see a problem helping them out.

If the public doesn't want to help out then I guess then don't have wars, or a military.

Maybe we should adopt Obama'a idea of the service member paying for their disabilities and treatment. If the Ruling Class (both parties) we currently have has their way thats how it would be.

I think since some of us serfs can succeed and rise in society is what has kept us from becoming the kind of society that most of us 2A nuts complain about. (That and the 2A)

 

[E5RANGER375]

Listen, you don't have to agree with me. Again, I am all for veterans getting compensated for their service. Never said otherwise. I am for their families being taken care of while they are in the service and while they are minors. I am not for their children getting government subsidies after they reach their majority for college. If the kids want to serve then HECK YES, they should get the benefits that are rightly granted to military personal. Otherwise, they should have to figure it out like the rest of us. Saving, working, loans, grants, etc.

If you want to discuss the ridiculous cost of going to college, I'm up for that as well. Its rising at a ridiculous rate and mostly to pad the pockets of the left leaning pencil pushers who can't get a real job.

but your not understanding that when the service you give causes you to be disabled then your service never realy ends. and when your SERVICE to your COUNTRY causes you to not earn as much or be ever capable of it, then I think its COUNTRYs' responsibility to PAY for what you have lost the ability to pay for, because really you already have paid a lot more!
I already know these politicians would rather all of us soldiers have died rather than come home screwed up, that way we are worth a fixed amount of $$ for them, plus they can get a great public relations boost off of attending the funeral and giving the guys widow a hug, and makes their job easier. sorry some of us came home you dirty rat politicians

 

[CVMA544]

While the GI bill is an option for many young men and women to afford college, and I do believe that is a respectable way to earn your keep.. Limits imposed by congress dictate how many people may enlist and earn GI bills, so that can never apply to everyone.

So should a child's future be based solely on the savings and outlook of their parents?

I just feel it is a small part of a much larger systemic issue.

And I have to agree, my purple texted earlier post spoke of mandatory public service or military service to earn the right to college.

This smacks of the German system of public education in the socialist system.

I have beat the college basketball coaches salary to death, but one of the aspects of the systemic issue you speak of is just that.

You can't pay the athletic staff millions of dollars a year and not have it affect the operating cost of the university.

Then other things like grants for studying mating patterns of New Zealand booga booga birds or some other stuff they give grants for.

Higher education was only for the rich and we didn't want that, so we give out grants and loans, build giant mutli-billion dollar campus' and the bottom line is you can get an quality educationin a pole barn if you have good teachers, fancy buildings are a requirement of education.

We could go on and on about cutting costs and stretching those dollars.

What to do?

 

[CVMA544]

but your not understanding that when the service you give causes you to be disabled then your service never realy ends. and when your SERVICE to your COUNTRY causes you to not earn as much or be ever capable of it, then I think its COUNTRYs' responsibility to PAY for what you have lost the ability to pay for, because really you already have paid a lot more!
I already know these politicians would rather all of us soldiers have died rather than come home screwed up, that way we are worth a fixed amount of $$ for them, plus they can get a great public relations boost off of attending the funeral and giving the guys widow a hug, and makes their job easier. sorry some of us came home you dirty rat politicians

Oh so true.

Soldier death benefit $400,000

9/11 victim compensation avg 1,185,000 up to 4,700,000

More stats on the differnces Rush Limbaugh on Compensation of 9/11 Victims vs. Military Families - Urban Legends

Let me add this before some think otherwise.

I don't live high on the hog, but I feel that I am getting enough for my needs, I don't feel shorted, I wish I could earn like I used to then I wouldn't need the Govt's money.

I am lucky all I got was a TBI, titainium plate ans screws in my neck, braces for the legs, and other stuff, all in all the VA isn't doing too bad of job taking care of my service connected needs. I still have all my body parts and can bathe, toilet, and move about, get groceries, etc. There are however some things that I can't do anymore that I miss.

I am very thankfull the USA does what they do for me and my family, I thank everyone who pays taxes. I am two years into this disability thing and still feel guilty not earning my money every money by the sweat of my brow or the use of my hands.

Knowing what I know now, would I do it all over again, yep, I just wouldn't be where I was when I got injured.

 

[nawainwright]

First this is a state program.

I don't think your picking on me, for if you read the thread you would have seen the program doesn't apply to me or my kids.

Sorry, I slipped on the state/federal. I know it doesn't "apply" to you, but you are treating my comment as though it was a personal slight against you.

I am 100% disabled from combat related injuries during my tour in Iraq.
My son has two tours in Iraq.
My daughter has one tour in Iraq.
My ex son in law and Grandsons father has two tours in Iraq, one of which he served with me.
My second Grandson's father was KIA in Iraq on his second tour.

Again, I thank you for your service, I am sorry you have lost so much.

Of course I guess your right in some ways about paying for yours and yours kids college as you and your kids could take the oath, stand a post, and / or engage the enemy and get the GI Bill....problem sovled, I mean thats how my family does it.

Who said I couldn't have done this? Yes, it was possible. I chose not to and I'm fine with that choice. Does it mean I paid for college on my own? Yes. Am I STILL paying on college? Yes. Its a volunteer army, I chose to not volunteer. If someone does volunteer then I commend that, I applaud it, they should be taken care of! I never said otherwise.

So IF this is to be the way it is then give NO grants, NO govt back loans, NO federal assistance what so ever to anyone.

I'd be perfectly fine with this! Guess what would come down? The cost of tuition. I've never said that soldiers shouldn't get college paid for in some capacity, I think that is a good program, and one that should be maintained.

Then I guess recuiting would either increase and/or only the ruling class could afford to send their kids to school and then we could all be kept in our place.

Again, you make a bunch of assumptions here. First: Tuition would remain at current levels if all Govt funding got pulled out...it wouldn't. Second: That people who had no money wouldn't have access to college... they would as I still support college for soldiers and veterans. Third: "in our place"....really?!?! You can go back through nearly 750 posts and you will never find me parroting this sentiment.

Follow that up with not paying basketball coaches 1.2 mil a year to coach college basketball, and six figure salaries for the rest of the atheltic staff and the state would have the money to fund the program or part of it.

NO ARGUMENT HERE! The state should not pay ridiculous amounts of money to win games. The idea that it is a "marketing tool" somehow is ludicrous.

Oh, one other thing, what about my Grandson who's father was KIA, should he not get any help? (Of course that falls under another program that is a federal program, well better cut that too?)

Sorry for your loss. I don't know what part of caring for veterans kids until age of majority you did not understand? Absolutely, that kid and his mother should be cared for because of the sacrifice made. Once your grandson reaches his majority, he can make his own choices.

Some of us took time out of our lives to insure that the call to arms was met. (Regardless of what one thinks of the war)

Now since some can't pay for their kids education because of that service, I don't see a problem helping them out.

Thats fine, if you don't see a problem helping them out, go help them out. Stop forcing others to help them out. I only moved out of Indiana 2 months ago, so you're still using my tax dollars. My grandfather was deafened in the Korean War, so should I have applied for some sort of grant? He wasn't able to help me with college....maybe I should have gotten a grant there too. My brother was in the Marine Corps and fell off a transport truck and uses a cane now.....he couldn't help me with college, does his sacrifice translate into money for me?

If the public doesn't want to help out then I guess then don't have wars, or a military.

Man you like to draw tons of conclusions, don't you? NO ONE IS AGAINST FUNDING VETS OR THEIR WIVES OR THEIR KIDS WHO ARE MINORS!

Maybe we should adopt Obama'a idea of the service member paying for their disabilities and treatment. If the Ruling Class (both parties) we currently have has their way thats how it would be.

Yeah, I'm all for adopting all of Obama's policies, bring on the Kool-aide! Seriously, are you still talking about this? I'm going to have to find a "SUPER CAPS KEY" to again reiterate: Please, for the love of all that is holy, take care of our injured veterans, KIA's, their wives, their minority kids!

I think since some of us serfs can succeed and rise in society is what has kept us from becoming the kind of society that most of us 2A nuts complain about. (That and the 2A)

This....this makes no sense.


Goodness, I'm sorry you are so bent out of shape about this. I don't understand why this is so difficult. Maybe the days of "take care of your own education" are gone. Maybe instead of both my parents working their way through college, they should have just sat back and waited for someone to hand them free money (My other grandfather was also in the Korean War, so mom would have gotten benefits too). What happened to a country full of people that takes responsibility for their own destiny, their own expenses, and their own lives?

I opted to pay my own college, because I didn't want to join the military. If I had joined then I would have expected to be compensated for that (as is reasonable). However, I don't believe that I, as an adult, should get my college tuition paid for because a parent of mine was injured in the service. Heck, if this was the case back in the 60's nearly everyone would have gone to college for free.

 

[hickuleas]

Benefits for veterans should never be taken away. This country doesn't respect the veterans like it should. My father is a disabled veteran from WWII. God bless our veterans and thanks to all that have and will serve our country.

 

[CVMA544]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CVMA544
First this is a state program.

I don't think your picking on me, for if you read the thread you would have seen the program doesn't apply to me or my kids.

Sorry, I slipped on the state/federal. I know it doesn't "apply" to you, but you are treating my comment as though it was a personal slight against you.

No, it is more of WE (Veterans) have to care about US(Veterans) type of thing on Veterans issues.


Quote:

Originally Posted by CVMA544
Of course I guess your right in some ways about paying for yours and yours kids college as you and your kids could take the oath, stand a post, and / or engage the enemy and get the GI Bill....problem sovled, I mean thats how my family does it.

Who said I couldn't have done this? Yes, it was possible. I chose not to and I'm fine with that choice. Does it mean I paid for college on my own? Yes. Am I STILL paying on college? Yes. Its a volunteer army, I chose to not volunteer. If someone does volunteer then I commend that, I applaud it, they should be taken care of! I never said otherwise.

But you didn't volunteer, and don't like a benefit the State has seen fit to provide to it's veterans and family for the service they provided. Thats your right, and you have right because of??????? My Dad, Brother, Son, Daughter, Son in Laws, and Me....Your Welcome



Quote:
Originally Posted by CVMA544
So IF this is to be the way it is then give NO grants, NO govt back loans, NO federal assistance what so ever to anyone.

I'd be perfectly fine with this! Guess what would come down? The cost of tuition. I've never said that soldiers shouldn't get college paid for in some capacity, I think that is a good program, and one that should be maintained.

I mean no grants, loans, assistance to anyone.....period.
Cash, GI Bill, or Mommy and Daddy thats it.
OH, and of course the new law that lets a Veteran transfer his GI Bill to his kids or wife.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CVMA544
Then I guess recuiting would either increase and/or only the ruling class could afford to send their kids to school and then we could all be kept in our place.

Again, you make a bunch of assumptions here. First: Tuition would remain at current levels if all Govt funding got pulled out...it wouldn't. Second: That people who had no money wouldn't have access to college... they would as I still support college for soldiers and veterans. Third: "in our place"....really?!?! You can go back through nearly 750 posts and you will never find me parroting this sentiment.

Kept in our place is meant as some kids would never see college if it weren't for some of the DV kids programs, when I joined the Army back in 81 most of us had no future for college, jobs, and alot of us where from lower class, lower income families, the GI Bill was our only option for college. The state's program helps provide a better chance for kids of DV.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CVMA544
Oh, one other thing, what about my Grandson who's father was KIA, should he not get any help? (Of course that falls under another program that is a federal program, well better cut that too?)

Sorry for your loss. I don't know what part of caring for veterans kids until age of majority you did not understand? Absolutely, that kid and his mother should be cared for because of the sacrifice made. Once your grandson reaches his majority, he can make his own choices.

Majority, right, 16 drive a car, 17 join the military, 18 vote, go to prison, 21 drink and buy a pistol, 23 for Social Security (college eligble) if they have a deaceased parent, 26 for Obimbo's Insurance Care on Mom Dad's tab, 23 for college if parents are divorced. Hmmmm?

Which one they can seem to agree on one age?




Quote:
Originally Posted by CVMA544
Some of us took time out of our lives to insure that the call to arms was met. (Regardless of what one thinks of the war)

Now since some can't pay for their kids education because of that service, I don't see a problem helping them out.

Thats fine, if you don't see a problem helping them out, go help them out. Stop forcing others to help them out. I only moved out of Indiana 2 months ago, so you're still using my tax dollars. My grandfather was deafened in the Korean War, so should I have applied for some sort of grant? He wasn't able to help me with college....maybe I should have gotten a grant there too. My brother was in the Marine Corps and fell off a transport truck and uses a cane now.....he couldn't help me with college, does his sacrifice translate into money for me?



The DV college program is parents, not brother or grandparents.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CVMA544
If the public doesn't want to help out then I guess then don't have wars, or a military.

Man you like to draw tons of conclusions, don't you? NO ONE IS AGAINST FUNDING VETS OR THEIR WIVES OR THEIR KIDS WHO ARE MINORS!

Again what age of majority?


Quote:
Originally Posted by CVMA544
Maybe we should adopt Obama'a idea of the service member paying for their disabilities and treatment. If the Ruling Class (both parties) we currently have has their way thats how it would be.

Yeah, I'm all for adopting all of Obama's policies, bring on the Kool-aide! Seriously, are you still talking about this? I'm going to have to find a "SUPER CAPS KEY" to again reiterate: Please, for the love of all that is holy, take care of our injured veterans, KIA's, their wives, their minority kids!

Again what age of majority?



Quote:
Originally Posted by CVMA544
I think since some of us serfs can succeed and rise in society is what has kept us from becoming the kind of society that most of us 2A nuts complain about. (That and the 2A)


This....this makes no sense.

If only the rich can afford to send their kids to college and no other folks or very few can rise in our society then over time we will have the Ruling Elite Class (both parties) making decisions for us, what to drive, what to eat, what you can own, what you can say, what you can write, what we have to buy, what medical treatment we get. You know like the kids whose parents had money or connections for college and deferments back in the 60's and 70's, you know Chicken Hawks.


Goodness, I'm sorry you are so bent out of shape about this. I don't understand why this is so difficult. Maybe the days of "take care of your own education" are gone. Maybe instead of both my parents working their way through college, they should have just sat back and waited for someone to hand them free money (My other grandfather was also in the Korean War, so mom would have gotten benefits too). What happened to a country full of people that takes responsibility for their own destiny, their own expenses, and their own lives?

I opted to pay my own college, because I didn't want to join the military. If I had joined then I would have expected to be compensated for that (as is reasonable). However, I don't believe that I, as an adult, should get my college tuition paid for because a parent of mine was injured in the service. Heck, if this was the case back in the 60's nearly everyone would have gone to college for free.



This wouldn't apply to all DV kids, but helping out a DV kid that has had to grow up with some of the unique types of injuries their parent has I don't have problem with.

This wouldn't apply to all, but some of those kids that don't deserve any help will be helping to put on, and take off prosthesis, put in and out of wheel chairs, bathe, toilet, tend to, feed, dress, cook for, emptying and tending colostomy bags, watching their parent die a slow death from all kinds of injuries, and even burying those DV's becuase their quality of life isn't what it should be.

But that is a normal childhood, just sit back and wait on that free money to come after high school and a few years of helping take care of Mom or Dad.

Until just a couple years ago a wife or family who did all those things received nothing, no compensation what so ever, and maybe the VA would send a nurse or not.

Again I say not all, but some of those DV kids your so fast to dismiss have served their time in hell just like their parent, but then I suppose that doesn't count either.

We as vets don't expect the public to understand these things, society would rather wharehouse us in our homes away from view. I know, I spent a couple years wharehoused completely at home myself.

I am no expert on this but I would bet the 60's is when a lot of parents started paying for little Johnny's education so he wouldn't be drafted to serve with those poor kids who's parents couldn't afford to send them to college and get a draft deferment, or pull political strings to get them in the National Guard or Reserves. Judging by IncendiaryGunners chart from 1970-74 costs took a turn upward.

That carrying through, DV's don't usually have the money to send their kids to college, so I guess that where it came from?

I know I sound bitter. I know severely wounded Vets and I know what their families go thru, and I suspect the legislators must have understood that too when they passed the DV kids college program. I can agree that not all injuries are severe enough to warrant a free education, but complete elimination isn't the answer either.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.