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  • INGunGuy

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    Where the hell is his lawyer? Why the hell would he set himself up like that? He has opened himself up for the BG to sue him. Remember in a self defense shooting, you only want ONE story. And that story is told by your lawyer and not you in front of the liberal media. They asked him why he carried a gun, well he didnt answer that question correctly IMHO, he should have said because the Second Amendment give him the right to carry a gun.

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    henktermaat

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    melensdad

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    Media bias can change when reasonable people are involved. Here are 2 versions of the SAME STORY from the SAME NEWSPAPER. Notice the change in the headlines? Notice the change in how they cropped the photo of the shotgun wielding kid? Notice the change in the tone of the whole story?

    Here is the FIRST WRITTEN version of the story based on the Press Conference. Notice the nice high school picture of the criminal in his football uniform? Carefully read this story. Then compare it to Version #2.

    VERSION #1:
    Man shoots teen who was trying to rob him

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    Elliott A. Firby talks to the media about shooting a teen who followed him home and tried to rob him with a shotgun in Sarasota on Thursday.

    By Anthony Cormier

    Published: Thursday, June 11, 2009 at 10:41 a.m.
    Last Modified: Thursday, June 11, 2009 at 1:57 p.m.
    NEWTOWN - The man who shot an armed robber outside his home says he began carrying a pistol because he watches police shows on TV and worried that the recession would drive up crime.

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    Brandon Ellis, Booker High School (2007-8)Soph. WR

    Elliott Firby, 54, left his job at the post office on Tallevast Road at 2:30 a.m. and noticed that a pickup truck followed him home.

    "Something is fixing to jump off," Firby recalled telling himself Thursday afternoon at a press conference at the Sarasota Police Department.

    When he arrived at his home, Firby got out of his car to open a gate and the truck turned on his street, Rilma Avenue. A teenager, Brandon Ellis, got out with a shotgun, police say.

    Ellis reportedly said: “Give it up, sir. Give it up.”

    When Ellis, 16, fumbled with the shotgun, Firby fired his .380-caliber pistol — which he began carrying at all times last April.

    “I did what I had to do,” Firby said.

    Ellis was shot in the stomach and stumbled toward the truck, which sped off. The teen went to Sarasota Memorial Hospital, where detectives found him.

    Ellis underwent surgery this morning. He will be charged with attempted armed robbery, says Sarasota Police Detective Tom Laughlin.

    Investigators are still looking for the getaway driver, but found the truck this afternoon.​

    Notice in this version how the title of the story changed?

    Notice how, in this version, they are far more critical of the misguided youth and actually consider him a criminal?

    VERSION #2

    Target of Sarasota robbery shoots his assailant

    By Anthony Cormier

    Published: Friday, June 12, 2009 at 1:00 a.m.
    Last Modified: Thursday, June 11, 2009 at 10:08 p.m.
    SARASOTA - Elliott Firby left the post office on Tallevast Road, where he has worked the night shift as a mail sorter for the past 13 years, and headed home on Thursday.


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    Elliott Firby

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    Cadereus Ray

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    Brandon Ellis
    It was 2:45 a.m. and he was alone on the road, save for a dark pickup truck that slowed down, let Firby pass and started following him on University Parkway.

    Firby was suspicious.

    “Something is fixing to jump off,” he recalled thinking to himself, as he sat at a table at the Sarasota Police Department on Thursday afternoon and told the story to reporters.

    The truck was still behind him when Firby pulled into his driveway on Rilma Avenue and got out to open a gate. A guy jumped out of the truck with a shotgun — politely telling Firby that he was being robbed.

    “Give it up, sir,” he said.

    Firby, 54, had followed recent news reports of violence in Newtown, especially a rise in shootings and a recent spate of home invasions. His wife was asleep inside the home and he was concerned that the robber might try to get to her.

    About a year ago — worried about the increase in crime — Firby and his wife got concealed-weapon permits.

    “You have to do something to protect yourself,” he said. “The police can’t be there all the time.”

    Firby started carrying a .380-caliber pistol wherever he went, stashing it in his pocket.

    As the robber approached with the shotgun, Firby went to his knees to make him think he was complying.

    The shotgun was covered with a T-shirt, police say, and the robber fumbled with it.

    Firby reached for his pistol and fired a round, striking the robber in the stomach.

    The robber stumbled back toward the truck and Firby fired again, missing as the truck sped away.

    A few hours later, officials at Sarasota Memorial Hospital called the police to say that a teenager, Brandon Ellis, 16, had showed up with a bullet wound.

    Ellis just finished his junior year at Booker High School, where he played basketball and football.

    He has no arrest record, police say. His injury is not life-threatening.

    Detectives plan to charge him with attempted robbery when he is released from the hospital.

    Late Thursday, detectives arrested Ellis’ half-brother, Cadareus Ray, on an armed robbery charge.

    Ray, 18, who graduated from Booker in 2008, was a linebacker on the football team and, after graduation, continued to play football at a junior college in California.

    When Ellis was dropped off at the hospital, a surveillance camera filmed the black truck as he climbed out of it. Detectives found the truck later Thursday in front of the 25th Street home where Ellis and Ray live.

    Detectives say Ellis and Ray were cruising Sarasota looking for someone to rob, and that it was Ray who gave Ellis the shotgun.

    Firby says he had $5 on him.

    “It wasn’t a whole lot of money,” Firby says, “but you do what you have to do when you’re looking down the business end of a shotgun.”

    For Firby, the ordeal left him shaken, tired and thankful that he was armed.

    He first thought about carrying a gun last year, as the the economy’s condition rapidly deteriorated.

    People started moving out of his neighborhood and vagrants took over a few empty houses.

    Once, someone cut his phone lines. Another time, when he was on a bicycle, someone shot him with a paintball gun. He and his wife figured it was time to take their safety more seriously.

    They took a gun course, got the concealed-weapon permits and try to never leave home without a pistol within reach.

    Detectives have cleared Firby of any wrongdoing in the shooting. Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law — which allows people to use deadly force when they face bodily harm — was a factor in the decision not to charge him.

    “He was looking at dying,” said Sarasota Police Capt. Bill Spitler. “And he has every right to defend himself.”​
     

    SC_Shooter

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    Yes, it always amazes me to see how a reporter can slant a story one way or the other. Same facts - completely different story. Probably a good reason not to get too chatty about these things in the aftermath!

    On another note, consider this quote:
    "Firby started carrying a .380-caliber pistol wherever he went, stashing it in his pocket." (from the second version)

    Given that he was heading home from his POST OFFICE job of more than 13-years, I guess he had the 380 either at work or in his vehicle while he was inside. Now just wait for some over-zealous prosecutor to charge him with 'possessing' a firearm on federal property...which I am assuming would include the parking lot for the Post Office.

    I sincerely hope not, but in the "gotcha age" who the heck knows.

    Sounds like a good shoot and exactly why he needed the ability to protect himself in the first place.
     

    JBob77

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    Does our Great State of Indiana have similar "Stand Your Ground" laws? And, If So, where might one be able to find them.

    That Aside, I feel bad that the kid was shot, but, you have to think about EVERY possible outcome of your actions, and apparently he didn't. This might be the incident in his life that prevents him from "going astray"again!!
     

    Haans

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    Indiana does have a Castle Doctrine law, and I imagine you can find it on the Indiana State Police website.
     

    HandK

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    God Bless him and The LEO for steping up and telling the Press that he did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law or in Florida. :patriot:
     

    melensdad

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    Does our Great State of Indiana have similar "Stand Your Ground" laws? And, If So, where might one be able to find them.

    HOUSE ENROLLED ACT No. 1028
    AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning firearms and self-defense.

    Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana:

    SECTION 1. IC 35-41-3-2 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2006]: Sec. 2. (a) A person is justified in using reasonable force against another person to protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person:
    (1) is justified in using deadly force; only and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
    if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the commission of a forcible felony. No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.
    (b) A person:
    (1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person; and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;

    if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's unlawful entry of or attack on the person's dwelling, or curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle.
    (c) With respect to property other than a dwelling, or curtilage, or an occupied motor vehicle, a person is justified in using reasonable force against another person if the person reasonably believes that the
    force is necessary to immediately prevent or terminate the other person's trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person's possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person's immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect. However, a person:
    (1) is not justified in using deadly force; unless and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
    only if that force is justified under subsection (a).

    (d) A person is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person and does not have a duty to retreat if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or stop the other person from hijacking, attempting to hijack, or otherwise seizing or attempting to seize unlawful control of an aircraft in flight. For purposes of this subsection, an aircraft is considered to be in flight while the aircraft is:
    (1) on the ground in Indiana:
    (A) after the doors of the aircraft are closed for takeoff; and
    (B) until the aircraft takes off;
    (2) in the airspace above Indiana; or
    (3) on the ground in Indiana:
    (A) after the aircraft lands; and
    (B) before the doors of the aircraft are opened after landing.
    (e) Notwithstanding subsections (a), (b), and (c), a person is not justified in using force if:
    (1) the person is committing or is escaping after the commission of a crime;
    (2) the person provokes unlawful action by another person with intent to cause bodily injury to the other person; or
    (3) the person has entered into combat with another person or is the initial aggressor unless the person withdraws from the encounter and communicates to the other person the intent to do so and the other person nevertheless continues or threatens to continue unlawful action.
    (f) Notwithstanding subsection (d), a person is not justified in using force if the person:
    (1) is committing, or is escaping after the commission of, a crime;
    (2) provokes unlawful action by another person, with intent to cause bodily injury to the other person; or
    (3) continues to combat another person after the other person withdraws from the encounter and communicates the other person's intent to stop hijacking, attempting to hijack, or otherwise seizing or attempting to seize unlawful control of an aircraft in flight.​
     

    Six Forty-Two

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    I'm sure at 2:45 a.m. when a person is holding a shotgun pointed at you in front of your house, you have no thought of the person's age. If it were a 80 y.o. woman or a 16 y.o. boy, you are potentially looking at you last day on earth.
     

    Glockster

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    Don't you just love politicians?

    "For purposes of this subsection, an aircraft is considered to be in flight while the aircraft is:
    (1) on the ground in Indiana:"
     

    agentl074

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    Don't you just love politicians?

    "For purposes of this subsection, an aircraft is considered to be in flight while the aircraft is:
    (1) on the ground in Indiana:"

    Well the reason is....

    (1) on the ground in Indiana:
    (A) after the doors of the aircraft are closed for takeoff; and
    (B) until the aircraft takes off;
    (2) in the airspace above Indiana; or
    (3) on the ground in Indiana:
    (A) after the aircraft lands; and
    (B) before the doors of the aircraft are opened after landing.

    They have to write it like that to establish that the aircraft is in operation - either via landing, docking, off loading, or preparing to depart.
     
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