One simple question about Obama (citizenship)

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One Simple Question About Obama...

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[SIZE=+3][SIZE=+1]By Paul Hollrah[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]9-24-09[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Paul Hollrah believes the Obama birth/citizenship qualification issue can be resolved by determining with or without Obama's cooperation the answer to one simple question.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]We will pass over the question of how a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later. A much simpler question tells us all we need to know.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]A : Yes, by his own admission.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Q: What passport did he travel under?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]A: There are only three possibilities:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]2) He traveled with a British passport, or[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Conclusion:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]If he were traveling with a British=2 0passport that would provide proof he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=+1]Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]If it doesn't matter to you if Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]If you see that it does matter then forward this![/SIZE][/SIZE]

 

[jblomenberg16]

Very interesting...

 

[redneckmedic]

So now what?

Only 2 possibilities.

1) This is false, and goes no where

2) This is true, now what; does it get ignored like everything else? Or does someone with some real influence use it for what, impeachment?

I believe it's probably true, but still goes no where. Good find, Rep'd.

 

[Beau]

The answer is simple. It gets ignored. Even if it is publicly proved that he can not legally hold office. It will be ignored.

 

[mrjarrell]

What a load. I know plenty of Americans who traveled to Pakistan in the late 70's and the 80's. There was no travel ban on Pakistan at that time. If Obama were a Kenyan citizen and had a passport reflecting that it wouldn't have been British, it would have been Kenyan. Kenya was, at that time a sovereign nation, not a subject nation of the crown.

Obama is laughing his *** off at people who write and buy into this nonsense. They can be dismissed off hand as kooks. The fact is that the man was almost certainly born in Hawaii as reported. Why won't he release any info? It keeps a segment of the populace engaged in the pursuit of lunatic conspiracy theory. Birthers and truthers are cut from the same cloth as far as the powers that be are concerned. You do yourselves a disservice when you buy into this nonsense.

 

[Bill of Rights]

The question that's kinda nagged at me is "if he was, in fact, born on US soil in 1961 and subsequently claimed citizenship of another country or had it claimed for him by a parent, then later returned to the US, presuming he went through the process of regaining citizenship, would he still be considered naturalized or would he again be considered "natural-born", considering the place of his birth?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Dogman]

Question. Isn't a child that has at least one parent who is a US citizen, considered to be a US citizen?
Seems like I remember reading/hearing this at some point.

 

[akaindy]

If the child is born in the US they are considered a natural born citizen. If the child is born outside of the US then the parents must register the child with the US embassy to get the child listed as a natural born citizen.

 

[mrjarrell]

If the child is born in the US they are considered a natural born citizen. If the child is born outside of the US then the parents must register the child with the US embassy to get the child listed as a natural born citizen.

Last time I checked Hawaii was one the 50 states.

 

[Indybeer]

Fact check

More “Birther” Nonsense: Obama’s 1981 Pakistan Trip


June 5, 2009

http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250&pub=xa-4a95703e019aeec6




We continue to receive queries about claims and theories advanced by "birthers," who wish to believe that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the USA or that he somehow gave up his citizenship and thus is not qualified to hold the office he occupies. One is a claim, first advanced last year, that his trip to Pakistan in 1981 proves he must not have been a U.S. citizen because Americans were not permitted to travel there at the time.
This one is not quite as transparent as the April Fools’ Day hoax that took in many of these deniers of Obama’s birthplace bona fides. That one was a fabricated Associated Press story about Obama’s student records from Occidental College. But the Pakistan theory is just as false. The truth, easily proven, is that American citizens traveled freely to Pakistan in 1981.
Obama did go to Pakistan that year when he was 20 years old with a college friend, after first seeing his mother and half-sister in Indonesia. That much is true. When he mentioned the 1981 trip during a campaign appearance last year, it came as news, because he had not previously written of it in his books.
Some then speculated, or claimed outright, that Obama must have gotten into Pakistan using an Indonesian passport obtained while his mother was married to Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian man whom she had divorced the previous year. Under this theory, the young Obama had somehow become an Indonesian citizen. "Birthers" claimed that the Pakistan trip constituted indirect proof of Obama’s supposed Indonesian citizenship. Philadelphia lawyer Phil Berg even told the U.S. Supreme Court last year, before it refused to hear his case challenging Obama’s qualification to be president, that Pakistan "was on the State Department’s travel ban list for U.S. Citizens."
But that claim is quite false. There was no such ban. Americans traveled there without incident, as shown by a travel piece that appeared in the New York Times in 1981, dated June 14. Barbara Crossette, an assistant news editor of the Times, told her mostly American readers they could travel to Lahore, Pakistan, by air, rail or road, adding: "Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports."
Her article prompted a letter to the Times from the U.S. consul general in Lahore saying he would "welcome an influx of Americans" to Lahore. He cautioned only that in addition to getting a visa for Pakistan, American visitors also should be careful to line up an Indian visa for the return trip if they planned to travel overland. The letter is dated Aug. 23, 1981.
Also, a travel advisory from the State Department dated Aug. 17, 1981 notes that Americans traveling to Pakistan require a 30-day visa, and that any staying longer must check in with Pakistan’s Foreigner Registration Office. A digital copy of the advisory is archived at the Electronic Research Collection, a partnership between the State Department and the Federal Depository Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
The "birthers" aren’t buying it. They, however, so far have produced what we judge to be zero credible evidence that Obama was born elsewhere, or that he later gave up U.S. citizenship. The false claim about a 1981 travel ban is typical of what’s been offered along those lines.

 

[JetGirl]

If the child is born in the US they are considered a natural born citizen. If the child is born outside of the US then the parents must register the child with the US embassy to get the child listed as a natural born citizen.

If he really was born outside the US, his mother was still too young to transfer citizenship status (being under 18).