On Preservation of the Union at Any Cost

[cobber]

I'd be interested to see your checklist of who is guilty of these logical fallacies. I can think of one individual who should have multiple check-marks in each.

No you wouldn't, methinks. Did you think I meant you?

French Indian War, anyone?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Your sources are not reliable and are racist.

There are no other sources for the Lost Cause religion. It is racist fiction and yet it is clung to by Libertarians. Tells us all we need to know.

 

[rambone]

There are no other sources for the Lost Cause religion. It is racist fiction and yet it is clung to by Libertarians. Tells us all we need to know.

 

[Dead Duck]

lewrockwell.com

Look it up for yourself. The guy is racist. That stops me from reading the site.
Why do you read from a racist site?

Why do you Hate Israel?

 

[rambone]

Why do you read from a racist site?

Why do you Hate Israel?

 

[hopper68]

No you wouldn't, methinks. Did you think I meant you?

French Indian War, anyone?

Wait, there were indians in France?

 

[steveh_131]

My whole point here is the OP started this thread with an article from a questionable web site. Period.
That ends it for me. I won't read arguments and so called facts that come from such sites.

Find better sources. Duh

Your sources are not reliable and are racist. You already know this because you keep using them and defend their validity.

Then don't read it. Why are you here discussing an article that you refuse to read?

 

[steveh_131]

Nailed it.

 

[MisterChester]

It appears the South may have a chance this time around.

No, not really. For one there is no legal way to secede. Two, most southern states get back more from the federal government than they give to it. They'd go bankrupt pretty quickly.

 

[cobber]

Wait, there were indians in France?

Little known fact. Not only should they get back all of N Am, but also most of Roman Gaul. The Europeans are going to have all of Moldova when all is said and done.

 

[steveh_131]

No you wouldn't, methinks. Did you think I meant you?

Surely not me. You can look at the very first reply to this thread to see 3 logical fallacies all in one short post, 2 of which show up in your pyramid.

 

[steveh_131]

Eta: dupe

 

[cobber]

Surely not me. You can look at the very first reply to this thread to see 3 logical fallacies all in one short post, 2 of which show up in your pyramid.

It should be pretty tender by now. This thread's been going on for ages...

 

[Henry]

It should be pretty tender by now. This thread's been going on for ages...

At some point, the thread may even get around to the topic in the OP. That is, the recasting of that murderous scum blue belly son of a ***** Sherman as some sort of hero in much the same way the tyrannical bastard Lincoln has been recast as a defender of freedom by statists over the past several decades.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/1...revised-view-of-shermans-march.html?referrer=

 

[steveh_131]

It should be pretty tender by now. This thread's been going on for ages...

There are plenty of other threads to read if you don't like this one.

 

[firehawk1]

At some point, the thread may even get around to the topic in the OP. That is, the recasting of that murderous scum blue belly son of a ***** Sherman as some sort of hero in much the same way the tyrannical bastard Lincoln has been recast as a defender of freedom by statists over the past several decades.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/1...revised-view-of-shermans-march.html?referrer=

I'm curious, who has cast Sherman as a hero? Who has cast Lincoln as a defender of freedom? I've read every post and can't find a single one.

All that aside, why does it concern you personally if Sherman was an SOB, and why does it matter to you personally if Lincoln was a tyrannical bastard? What possible effect could that have on your day to day life? What is it that you cannot do or are denied in your life IF they were as you describe? How would your life be better if Lincoln had allowed the south to leave the Union? What additional freedoms would you be enjoying if that is how it had played out?

 

[steveh_131]

I'm curious, who has cast Sherman as a hero? Who has cast Lincoln as a defender of freedom? I've read every post and can't find a single one.

All that aside, why does it concern you personally if Sherman was an SOB, and why does it matter to you personally if Lincoln was a tyrannical bastard? What possible effect could that have on your day to day life? What is it that you cannot do or are denied in your life IF they were as you describe? How would your life be better if Lincoln had allowed the south to leave the Union? What additional freedoms would you be enjoying if that is how it had played out?

History matters. Feel free to disagree.

The abuse of state sovereignty continues today. Glorifying Lincoln and the civil war justifies these abuses.

 

[cobber]

History matters. Feel free to disagree.

Can we start with slavery and the war on Native Americans, then, and how the Southerners benefited therefrom?

 

[firehawk1]

History matters. Feel free to disagree.

The abuse of state sovereignty continues today. Glorifying Lincoln and the civil war justifies these abuses.

I agree history matters but, that doesn't answer any of my questions. If you, me or anyone else walked out their door TODAY exactly what would be different as far as freedom? Again, exactly what is it we cannot do or are denied if Sherman was an SOB and Lincoln was a tyrannical bastard?

If we all agreed these two people were what some believe, what would be different TODAY? To me all this is just an exercise in futility.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I agree history matters but, that doesn't answer any of my questions. If you, me or anyone else walked out their door TODAY exactly what would be different as far as freedom? Again, exactly what is it we cannot do or are denied if Sherman was an SOB and Lincoln was a tyrannical bastard?

If we all agreed these two people were what some believe, what would be different TODAY? To me all this is just an exercise in futility.

You cannot buy the health insurance you want, for one.

That's not all due to Lincoln and Sherman by any means. I think what Steve and them are saying is the sovereignty of the individual states has never been the same since then. If they were, things like ObamaCare would likely never seen the light of day outside of Massachusetts.