OK - Fight Back...With What?

[JeremiahJohnson]

with you so far - good plan - now...with what?

Authorities' new advice to schools: Confront shooter

 

[Caleb]

Stupid is all up in that link

 

[ghostdncr]

Not even Ajax would clean that mess up. So they advocate fighting back, but not training or arming school personnel to do so? That's gonna end poorly.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Not even Ajax would clean that mess up. So they advocate fighting back, but not training or arming school personnel to do so? That's gonna end poorly.

They talked about the flight that went down in PA on 911 - that's the victory story. Granted, those folks are heros and they fought back with what they had. What if they were armed? Bet that plane would have landed safely. In fact, wonder how many planes if any would have hit the towers if a few passengers were armed.

 

[ghostdncr]

In fact, wonder how many planes if any would have hit the towers if a few passengers were armed.

As shooters, I think we know the answer to that. Just a few civilian weapons on board those planes would've produced a radically different outcome. While it hardly bears repeating, we almost never hear of the potential bad incidences that are stopped on the front end by the "good guy with a gun."

Years ago in my hometown, some whack job went into a place of business carrying a high-cap shotgun, four pistols, and a backpack full of shells and mags. He got off two ineffective shots before one of the workers clocked him in the forehead with a .380, ending the siege almost as soon as it began. It was big news on the local radio for a day or two and it made our little weekly newspaper, but that was about it.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

As shooters, I think we know the answer to that. Just a few civilian weapons on board those planes would've produced a radically different outcome. While it hardly bears repeating, we almost never hear of the potential bad incidences that are stopped on the front end by the "good guy with a gun."

Years ago in my hometown, some whack job went into a place of business carrying a high-cap shotgun, four pistols, and a backpack full of shells and mags. He got off two ineffective shots before one of the workers clocked him in the forehead with a .380, ending the siege almost as soon as it began. It was big news on the local radio for a day or two and it made our little weekly newspaper, but that was about it.

Wish I could have heard THAT story. I hear ya brother - it ain't about the truth or journalistic reporting.

 

[half-glocked]

with you so far - good plan - now...with what?

You offer me a pan of that mystery meat and I'll take off running!

Aside from that I'm out of ideas.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Yeah, I have a job where it's possible to run into "disgruntled clients," yet we aren't permitted to carry any type of defensive weapon. Can't even carry pepper spray.We received the training video that goes along with this article. I laughed and told my boss it was a complete joke. They want you to fight back with anything you can find like a fire extinguisher or a chair. I called it the run, hide and pray method of defense.

They tell us that if we feel we're going to a location that could be threatening, we can request a law enforcement escort. My argument is there is no way to know which ones will need the armed escort. Some of the people we contact are labeled "caution" or a bit higher with "potentially dangerous." I argue again that they weren't labeled that way until they did something to warrant an investigation. Oh, and that investigation can take upward of 6 months to complete.

It would be cheaper and take less resources if they would allow us to be armed and provide us proper training, that for us to take armed law enforcement with us on every field visit. But this is the government, so logic escapes them.

 

[JettaKnight]

Authorities' new advice to schools: Befuddle shooter

Associated Press, Feb 19, Sioux City

A group of psychologist, chiefs of police and Bloomberg mayors have come up with new guidelines for dealing with an active shooter in a public school. The new guidelines are an attempt to befuddle, or confuse a shooter. Dr. Sherry Donaldson of Mothers Against Shooting Students (MASS) said, "We've try hiding and fighting back and even tried compromising by offering up the gym teacher, but nothing works."

The new guidelines have two stages in order to have immediate results and long term effectiveness.

"Stage one is all about the teachers actions. Teachers need to acting in a confusing way", said life coach Tony Hawkins.
"We want to train teachers to walk, talk and look confusing. We've given them all DVD's of Mummenschanz to watch and imitate."

The concept is a simple one - act in a weird way with wild gestures and and speak in a foreign or made up language to confuse the shooter. "Teachers who execute the Ministry of Silly Walks sketch from Monty Python can buy up to 50 seconds of extra time before the shooter becoming bored and starts shooting again." say Donaldson.

Stage Two is to use new architecture to protect children. Twists in hallways, exit signs above closets, speed bumps in hallways and strobe lights are all thing to be employed. "By making schools as confusing as possible we can hope to protect our children," declared Ben King in a speech to city planners and architects.

King went on to say, "Sarah Winchester should be considered the avant garde school planner. We can borrow elements such as stairways to nowhere to befuddle those who want to harm our children."

When asked about the time and cost of these measures one high level DHS representative is quoted as saying, "Yes, these guidelines are expensive to implement and take away from teaching time, but we have to do SOMETHING even if it's only to look like we care."

 

[jballs]

"excuse me, do you have a hall pass"? Lol

 

[CathyInBlue]

"I've been in law enforcement for 39 years. I never thought it would get to this point."

Well, then, you're a fool, aren't you?

Funny. I never thought of "befuddle" as a synonym for "perforate". JettaKnight... please, please, PLEASE tell me that is satire. It just sounds too much like something actual Collectivist do-gooders in positions of authority might say or do to trip my BS-o-meter.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

"I've been in law enforcement for 39 years. I never thought it would get to this point."

Well, then, you're a fool, aren't you?

Funny. I never thought of "befuddle" as a synonym for "perforate". JettaKnight... please, please, PLEASE tell me that is satire. It just sounds too much like something actual Collectivist do-gooders in positions of authority might say or do to trip my BS-o-meter.

Cathy you crack me up. You FUNNY!

 

[JettaKnight]

Funny. I never thought of "befuddle" as a synonym for "perforate". JettaKnight... please, please, PLEASE tell me that is satire. It just sounds too much like something actual Collectivist do-gooders in positions of authority might say or do to trip my BS-o-meter.

I listen to Bluff the Listener on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me! too much.

 

[ghostdncr]

Your choice:

 

[Smokepole]

Authorities' new advice to schools: Befuddle shooter

Associated Press, Feb 19, Sioux City

A group of psychologist, chiefs of police and Bloomberg mayors have come up with new guidelines for dealing with an active shooter in a public school. The new guidelines are an attempt to befuddle, or confuse a shooter. Dr. Sherry Donaldson of Mothers Against Shooting Students (MASS) said, "We've try hiding and fighting back and even tried compromising by offering up the gym teacher, but nothing works."

The new guidelines have two stages in order to have immediate results and long term effectiveness.

"Stage one is all about the teachers actions. Teachers need to acting in a confusing way", said life coach Tony Hawkins.
"We want to train teachers to walk, talk and look confusing. We've given them all DVD's of Mummenschanz to watch and imitate."

The concept is a simple one - act in a weird way with wild gestures and and speak in a foreign or made up language to confuse the shooter. "Teachers who execute the Ministry of Silly Walks sketch from Monty Python can buy up to 50 seconds of extra time before the shooter becoming bored and starts shooting again." say Donaldson.

Stage Two is to use new architecture to protect children. Twists in hallways, exit signs above closets, speed bumps in hallways and strobe lights are all thing to be employed. "By making schools as confusing as possible we can hope to protect our children," declared Ben King in a speech to city planners and architects.

King went on to say, "Sarah Winchester should be considered the avant garde school planner. We can borrow elements such as stairways to nowhere to befuddle those who want to harm our children."

When asked about the time and cost of these measures one high level DHS representative is quoted as saying, "Yes, these guidelines are expensive to implement and take away from teaching time, but we have to do SOMETHING even if it's only to look like we care."

Associated Press my behind. That HAD to come from The Onion. There just isn't anyway that was a serious piece from an intelligent mind.

But then again, the way some people - especially liberals - think these days, it could actually be real. I still don't want to believe it though.

 

[RockofStrength]

Hey, my Glock has a nice strobe light on the front, complete with noisemaker...

 

[halfmileharry]

You think it's taking enough time for the LEOs to figure out they can't protect the citizenry? OR at least admit it.
Heck, we've all known forever that it's up to us to protect ourselves against any attack.
IF we're LUCKY the LE personnel will be there to stop the bad guy but until then we know it's a fight for survival.
Politically Correct thinking is dangerous.
More dangerous is not thinking for ourselves. WE know we're the only ones responsible for our safety and those of our loved ones.
I send my son to school IN THE HOPE HE WILL BE SAFE.
I asked right after Sandy Hook what was being done to keep the kids safe.
I didn't really get an answer.

 

[ghuns]

Authorities' new advice to schools: Befuddle shooter

Associated Press, Feb 19, Sioux City

A group of psychologist, chiefs of police and Bloomberg mayors have come up with new guidelines for dealing with an active shooter in a public school. The new guidelines are an attempt to befuddle, or confuse a shooter. Dr. Sherry Donaldson of Mothers Against Shooting Students (MASS) said, "We've try hiding and fighting back and even tried compromising by offering up the gym teacher, but nothing works."

The new guidelines have two stages in order to have immediate results and long term effectiveness.

"Stage one is all about the teachers actions. Teachers need to acting in a confusing way", said life coach Tony Hawkins.
"We want to train teachers to walk, talk and look confusing. We've given them all DVD's of Mummenschanz to watch and imitate."

The concept is a simple one - act in a weird way with wild gestures and and speak in a foreign or made up language to confuse the shooter. "Teachers who execute the Ministry of Silly Walks sketch from Monty Python can buy up to 50 seconds of extra time before the shooter becoming bored and starts shooting again." say Donaldson.

Stage Two is to use new architecture to protect children. Twists in hallways, exit signs above closets, speed bumps in hallways and strobe lights are all thing to be employed. "By making schools as confusing as possible we can hope to protect our children," declared Ben King in a speech to city planners and architects.

King went on to say, "Sarah Winchester should be considered the avant garde school planner. We can borrow elements such as stairways to nowhere to befuddle those who want to harm our children."

When asked about the time and cost of these measures one high level DHS representative is quoted as saying, "Yes, these guidelines are expensive to implement and take away from teaching time, but we have to do SOMETHING even if it's only to look like we care."

I like Monty Python as much as the next guy, and imagining my 80 year old 2nd grade witch of a teacher silly walking makes me smile, but wouldn't it just be easier for someone to shoot the crazy SOB?

 

[JettaKnight]

Associated Press my behind. That HAD to come from The Onion. There just isn't anyway that was a serious piece from an intelligent mind.

Hey! I take umbrage with that - it came from MY mind!