Now that Illinois has joined the rest of the country....

[DC47374]

I wonder if they will have reciprocity with any other states? I would not be surprised if they do not recognize anyone's LTCH, CCW, or any other type of license/permit. I have no hope they will recognize Indiana, but am holding out hope they'll recognize Utah.

Illinois passes bill to allow concealed firearms; last U.S. state to have such a ban | Fox News

 

[minuteman32]

What I read, you can carry in your vehicle w/ a license from another state if you're not an IL resident. You can apply for a non resident IL license to carry on your person in a few additional places (long list of no carry locations) for $300.

 

[The Keymaster]

Please remember, this is all a fantasy until Quinn signs the bill. I lived in Illinois from 1982 until 2002, and I still work there. There is a lot of stupidity in Illinois government.

 

[Pete]

There is a lot of stupidity in most governments. It seems that Illinois is not afraid to open their mouths & remove all doubt.

 

[rugertoter]

Please remember, this is all a fantasy until Quinn signs the bill. I lived in Illinois from 1982 until 2002, and I still work there. There is a lot of stupidity in Illinois government.

From what I read, it looks like they have the required number of votes to override his butt if he refuses to sign it.

 

[Jack Burton]

But the session ended yesterday, didn't it? So what happens if no one is their to actually override the veto? Would Quinn be so stupid to invite no law at all?

 

[mrjarrell]

But the session ended yesterday, didn't it? So what happens if no one is their to actually override the veto? Would Quinn be so stupid to invite no law at all?

Yes, he would be that stupid. He knows that "Constitutional Carry" will result in home rule and a thousand different regulations that will be made to suit the local politarati and their hanger on. No doubt Pflegger and Tiny Dancer are on the phone with him begging for a veto.

 

[Pinchaser]

I think it may very well be that Barack Hussein and the Chicago machine have decided that the best option, for them, is "Constitutional Carry." If they pass a bill, they lose both Chicago and downstate. If they fail to pass a bill, they still lose downstate but can pretty-much continue with the status quo in Crook County. Their best strategy is to avoid any state-wide legislation becoming law.

ETA: After reading the story in The Tribune, it looks like there are enough downstate Democrats who fully support this bill to override a veto if Quinn decides to do so. The losers may not have a choice in Crook County. The House speaker says both chambers will convene to vote on an override, if necessary. If Madigan is willing to allow it, then Quinn and Chicago are out of options.

 

[LEaSH]

What I read, you can carry in your vehicle w/ a license from another state if you're not an IL resident. You can apply for a non resident IL license to carry on your person in a few additional places (long list of no carry locations) for $300.

Before you get yourself or someone else in trouble, you better reread whatever it is that you have read or clarify. Because you are not even close to factual.

 

[The Keymaster]

Before you get yourself or someone else in trouble, you better reread whatever it is that you have read or clarify. Because you are not even close to factual.

IMO there is basis for the interpretation that one can have the ability to carry a loaded concealed firearm on their person while traveling in Illinois. Below are excerpts from the law as written.


"Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun
carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed
from view of the public or on or about a person within a
vehicle.

(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her
vehicle and the non-resident:
(1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a
firearm under federal law;
(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the
laws of his or her state or territory of residence; and
(3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended,
he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or
locked container within the vehicle in accordance with
subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act.
Section 45. Civil immunity; Board, em

 

[ryknoll3]

Before you get yourself or someone else in trouble, you better reread whatever it is that you have read or clarify. Because you are not even close to factual.

IMO there is basis for the interpretation that one can have the ability to carry a loaded concealed firearm on their person while traveling in Illinois. Below are excerpts from the law as written.


"Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun
carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed
from view of the public or on or about a person within a
vehicle.

(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her
vehicle and the non-resident:
(1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a
firearm under federal law;
(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the
laws of his or her state or territory of residence; and
(3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended,
he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or
locked container within the vehicle in accordance with
subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act.
Section 45. Civil immunity; Board, em

Leash,
Please back up YOUR statement via statute. I quoted these two sections of the bill in the other thread on this topic last night. It's pretty clear, based on the definition of a "concealed firearm" in this legislation that you can carry in your car so long as you are legal in your state.

 

[LEaSH]

The guy I was quoting was speaking in the present.tense.

I havent read your other thread but am familiar with the above proposed bill.

 

[Captain Morgan]

If this is signed into law, I'll be curious to see what states will honor an IL non-resident permit. Since I live right next door and am over there quite often, but IL won't honor other states permits/licenses, it just might be beneficial to get an IL non-res license if several states that don't honor IN will end up honoring IL non-res. Will probably be awhile before all of that is ironed out. May still have to go with the FL or UT for a few years.

 

[copperhead-1911]

I predict a big drop in crime in Chicago ( if people can carry there) as well as lots of savings on welfare, wic, food stamps, incarceration and so forth within 20 years after a few things find they are trying to rob armed citizens.

 

[ryknoll3]

I predict a big drop in crime in Chicago ( if people can carry there) as well as lots of savings on welfare, wic, food stamps, incarceration and so forth within 20 years after a few things find they are trying to rob armed citizens.

I predict that the high cost of getting a permit, (probably $500-ish including training) plus the huge list of places that you can not carry will dissuade most people from bothering with a permit.

 

[Caleb]

From what I read, it looks like they have the required number of votes to override his butt if he refuses to sign it.

I think it becomes law after 60 days if he does not sign it

 

[KG1]

I predict that the high cost of getting a permit, (probably $500-ish including training) plus the huge list of places that you can not carry will dissuade most people from bothering with a permit.

This is exactly why they are proposing it this way. They want to make it as cost prohibitive and restrictive as they can. It's about control.

I've already stated in a different thread that I will not pay their ransom for a non resident license and will be satisfied with being able to cross the state line while driving in my vehicle legally carrying a loaded concealed firearm on the rare occasions that I go to Illinois and visit family members.

I do believe that I would be covered under this new legislation if signed into law to carry concealed aslong as I do not leave the vehicle with it unless I am on the property of someone that has given me permission to carry.

That's all I need.

 

[Stschil]

I predict that the high cost of getting a permit, (probably $500-ish including training) plus the huge list of places that you can not carry will dissuade most people from bothering with a permit.

I tend to agree since most of the gun crime in Chicago occurs in predominantly über poor inner city communities. There are decent people living in these neighborhoods, but being that they are impoverished localities, the good folks will be effectively priced out of being able to carry legally. Also, (and my memory is a little vague on this) Didn't either Cook County or Chicago pretty much make it nearly impossible for inner city folks to attend the training required to get a FOID card by outlawing ranges within them? So, aside from the financial hurdle, the restrictions against carrying on public transportation as part of the State Law means that many Chicago residents who rely on busses and CTS are pretty much screwed with being able to attend the 16 hours of required training as well.

Chicago and Cook county will continue to be war zones and the fact that the relaxation of gun laws has little to no effect will be a soap box for the progressives and gun grabbers to stand on. (By design, I suspect)

 

[copperhead-1911]

I tend to agree since most of the gun crime in Chicago occurs in predominantly über poor inner city communities. There are decent people living in these neighborhoods, but being that they are impoverished localities, the good folks will be effectively priced out of being able to carry legally. Also, (and my memory is a little vague on this) Didn't either Cook County or Chicago pretty much make it nearly impossible for inner city folks to attend the training required to get a FOID card by outlawing ranges within them? So, aside from the financial hurdle, the restrictions against carrying on public transportation as part of the State Law means that many Chicago residents who rely on busses and CTS are pretty much screwed with being able to attend the 16 hours of required training as well.

Chicago and Cook county will continue to be war zones and the fact that the relaxation of gun laws has little to no effect will be a soap box for the progressives and gun grabbers to stand on. (By design, I suspect)

Great point about decent people. The thing I would ask them is who they voted for. Most probably would say Obama. I am sure they would not get it when I try to explain to them liberals want to keep them in that situation and those liberal policies are why decent people of all races are not safe.

 

[copperhead-1911]

I predict that the high cost of getting a permit, (probably $500-ish including training) plus the huge list of places that you can not carry will dissuade most people from bothering with a permit.

Very true. The only thing is that I hope a Court takes a case to say the ridiculously high cost discriminates against the poor. I further hope someone throws the liberal claimed used on voting ID laws back at them about people not being able to afford a permit.