New program launching in Indianapolis to provide safe place for people living in cars

[HoughMade]

Not being critical of you and or your generous church followers. How much is this enabling though?

Like other addicts of unhealthy behavior, they often don't understand because us good hearted folks cannot find the nads to tell them "NO."

"NO" for their own good and for the good of society...


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So then he just goes to the next place and does the same. He's not hurting anybody and certainly isn't harming "society" whatever that means. To believe that there is always some "solution" that will get people to "live right" is pretty naïve.

 

[bwframe]

Just keep in mind that you are painting with a very broad brush. There are a lot of people who choose to live unconventionally and they have a right to do that, or they should in a free country.

Absolutely.

What they should not be able to do though is become squatters in the way of the rest of us leading productive lives.

Nor should they be able to inappropriately tie up public resources with their mental health issues.

 

[bwframe]

So then he just goes to the next place and does the same. He's not hurting anybody and certainly isn't harming "society" whatever that means. To believe that there is always some "solution" that will get people to "live right" is pretty naïve.

As long as your congregation is happy with squatters setting up in the parking lot, good for you all!

It's private property and y'all can do what you want.

 

[Ingomike]

No one has come out and said it, but some are indicating that while they people may have a right to exist, they apparently must exercise that right elsewhere.

The question becomes where they have a right to exist. The property in this country is divided into public and private property. I obviously do not have the right to just exist on your property. (And my HOA will keep you away from mine ) So it falls to what rights do people have on public property? Do individual people have the right to just take over property that is public to live on it?

 

[Ingomike]

Just keep in mind that you are painting with a very broad brush. There are a lot of people who choose to live unconventionally and they have a right to do that, or they should in a free country.

Do they have the right to take from others to “live unconventionally”?

 

[phylodog]

Do they have the right to take from others to “live unconventionally”?

What are they taking? Scenery free from humanity? A pleasant drive to work?

 

[phylodog]

The question becomes where they have a right to exist. The property in this country is divided into public and private property. I obviously do not have the right to just exist on your property. (And my HOA will keep you away from mine ) So it falls to what rights do people have on public property? Do individual people have the right to just take over property that is public to live on it?

I guess not if the plan is to round them all up and re-educate them.

 

[two70]

Do they have the right to take from others to “live unconventionally”?

If the "unconventionally" is riding a bike and the "living" is riding it in the road, then apparently they have every right to take an unimpeded road from others to their heart's content.

 

[Ingomike]

What are they taking? Scenery free from humanity? A pleasant drive to work?

Do they have a right to camp/live in a public park? On a public sidewalk? Public property is equally owned by the public, no one has the right to take more than their share of it. There is no such thing as open property, all property has owners be they public or private and it all has rules of use.

What stops me and a dozen friends from going to the Hoosier National Forest, setting up an encampment, cutting trees for cabins and shelters, building roads, and generally living there? What am I taking? Scenery free from humanity? A pleasant drive to work?

 

[Ingomike]

If the "unconventionally" is riding a bike and the "living" is riding it in the road, then apparently they have every right to take an unimpeded road from others to their heart's content.

Bicycling is so conventional it is recognized in law. Squatting on the public is not…

 

[Ingomike]

I guess not if the plan is to round them all up and re-educate them.

So you do believe individual people have the right to just take over property that is public and live on it?

Got it.

 

[jwamplerusa]

So you do believe individual people have the right to just take over property that is public and live on it?

Got it.

THIS IS GREAT NEWS! Property in my area is VERY expensive. I think I'll have a new house built on the local park. Nice chunk of land probably 3 acres, I'm sure no one will mind. I mean the land cost alone will save me close to a Mil. Makes that house SWMBO'd wants much more affordable.

 

[phylodog]

So you do believe individual people have the right to just take over property that is public and live on it?

Got it.

I believe people have the right to exist. They do not have the right to exist on private property they don't own so that leaves public property.

I understand some here want to live in a little "The Truman Show" bubble of their own creation and only exist among others they deem fit. Those folks might wanna start getting comfortable with the idea of their delicate existence being fractured because we aren't nearing the end of this. You can only shuffle the undesirables so many times before you start covering the same ground. We were in a housing crisis before the beloved democrats invited 10 million additional homeless into the country.

 

[phylodog]

Do they have a right to camp/live in a public park?

Why shouldn't they? You using it? They have to exist somewhere.

On a public sidewalk? Public property is equally owned by the public, no one has the right to take more than their share of it. There is no such thing as open property, all property has owners be they public or private and it all has rules of use.

What is your fair share of the sidewalk along Main St in Atlanta, IN? We gonna create a public land non-owners association to create rules like you can't stop in one place longer than 30 seconds without a permit? Gotta do something to keep all the "icky" people away from us, eh?

What stops me and a dozen friends from going to the Hoosier National Forest, setting up an encampment, cutting trees for cabins and shelters, building roads, and generally living there? What am I taking? Scenery free from humanity? A pleasant drive to work?

So people can only exist in this country if they own or rent a piece of property. That is the only acceptable way to living a life in this country. Fold to conformity or lose your right to life I guess. If they don't want to then what, jail I guess? Work a job or go to prison? Smells freedomy.

 

[phylodog]

I find it especially disappointing that our society is so ****ing wrapped up in materialism that most don't possess the ability to stop for one second and realize how good they have it. Nice house, nice job, nice life but that's not enough. Some feel they are entitled to such a magnificent existence as to not be inconvenienced by having to look at those less fortunate. Rather than stepping up to maybe sacrifice a grande latte at Starbucks and help someone, they'd prefer to call the police and demand that gross people be moved our of their sight.

I'd wager to bet that the majority of those that some are complaining about don't like their situation any more than the people complaining. Try putting yourself in their shoes, maybe even ask someone what happened. They aren't all losers who suck at life. Mental illness is far and away the largest contributor to homelessness and drug addiction and I'm yet to meet someone suffering from one who asked for it.

People suck.

 

[Ingomike]

Why shouldn't they? You using it? They have to exist somewhere.

Because it doesn’t belong to them, the public did not buy it for them to live there. It is their responsibility to provide for themselves a place to exist. Most do that by working, the company provides a place to exist while also paying for the work. One is free to live a nomadic existence but not on other people’s property.

What is your fair share of the sidewalk along Main St in Atlanta, IN? We gonna create a public land non-owners association to create rules like you can't stop in one place longer than 30 seconds without a permit? Gotta do something to keep all the "icky" people away from us, eh?

My share is to navigate along and general use that might include resting between stops but not taking up residence. There already is a “public land non-owners association”, it is local government.

So people can only exist in this country if they own or rent a piece of property. That is the only acceptable way to living a life in this country. Fold to conformity or lose your right to life I guess. If they don't want to then what, jail I guess? Work a job or go to prison? Smells freedomy.

Being born does not give you a place to call your own, you can own, rent, or whatever, but you are responsible for your own place to domicile whether for the night or the year. Are you saying it is the public’s job to give people a place to live on public property? You have the freedom to live and sleep as you choose, but not on other people’s dime or property. So you define freedom as the the right to use public resources in ways the public laws do not allow?