Let's Organize "ILOCD": (Indiana Legal Open Carry Day)

[jedi]

You guys are terribly sensitive aren't you?



We've heard about other events...
But...
When is this proposed march supposed to happen?
Where is this march suppose to take place?
Is it going to happen in 2010?
Who is coordinating with law enforcement?
Will there be any news coverage?
How are the organizers going to contact supporters?
Has anybody collected phone numbers? Emails?


TJ

We have to step lighting on this due to the nature of where we are currnelty talking about. The last 2 walks we did talk about on INGO after we got approval from the owner. He is sensitive to politics and INGO's name. I send an PM to the last orgainzer of the march to read this and chim in. Not sure if he will or will not. Right now the de factor leader is the OP.

I am willing to lead the NWI group should that group want to participate in the walk in our area. Be patient it's all talk right now. Some of the groups (sub groups) move more slowly.

What will most likely happen is someone will take the lead and run with it like in the past.

 

[SavageEagle]

So, a couple questions.

First, is this a pistol Open Carry only event? More to the point, are rifles allowed?

Second, is this a serious organizing thread or just tossing ideas around?

I was hoping someone would take up the slack and organize another one. Now if you all don't want to be "The Guy"... I've got plenty of time on my hands. So whatta ya gonna do? Get this rolling or just toss ideas around?

(For the record, I like the idea of 1-9-11. )

 

[TraderJack]

S E, I like your style!
What did you have in mind for 1-9-11?
Big? Small? Local? State-wide?
I see you mentioned rifles... Are you considering an event to bring attention to The 2nd?
Are you thinking an 'annual' event?
Or are you thinking about the 'gun grabbers'? Or are you just thinking aloud...?

One thing to consider is the negative press this might generate.
Moving forward, the organizers would be wise to put themselves in a 'gun grabbers' boots and try to come up with ways to sabatoge the entire event. Maybe, that way any negative remarks could be handled with some sort of prepared response?
I like being prepared... I'm sure you do as well?
All the best,
TJ

 

[IndyMonkey]

One thing to consider is the negative press this might generate.
Moving forward, the organizers would be wise to put themselves in a 'gun grabbers' boots and try to come up with ways to sabatoge the entire event. Maybe, that way any negative remarks could be handled with some sort of prepared response?
I like being prepared... I'm sure you do as well?
All the best,
TJ

Your thinking too much into it, the last two barely even caused a blip on the radar.

 

[SavageEagle]

S E, I like your style!
What did you have in mind for 1-9-11?
Big? Small? Local? State-wide?
I see you mentioned rifles... Are you considering an event to bring attention to The 2nd?
Are you thinking an 'annual' event?
Or are you thinking about the 'gun grabbers'? Or are you just thinking aloud...?

One thing to consider is the negative press this might generate.
Moving forward, the organizers would be wise to put themselves in a 'gun grabbers' boots and try to come up with ways to sabatoge the entire event. Maybe, that way any negative remarks could be handled with some sort of prepared response?
I like being prepared... I'm sure you do as well?
All the best,
TJ

Had two open carry walks downtown Indianapolis with only a very small few NOT carrying rifles. On the Circle and everything. No bad press at all. Actually, no press showed up and I contacted everyone from Wish TV, to Fox, to the Brady Campaign.

I didn't have any ideas set in stone, but the last time I talked about one, a lot of people considered Bloomington as the premier place to hold one at. Guaranteed press at an event there. Small or big doesn't matter, as long as the group is almost always mobile and not standing in one place you can bypass just about any town or city's permitting process.

All your concerns were voiced MANY times in the past. Heck even I was worried about sabotage. It just doesn't happen. I did require that all rifles be UNCHAMBERED. Loaded mags is fine, but a round in the rifle chamber is unnecessary because I had no problem with EDC's (pistols) being cocked and locked as long as you had some kind of retention on your OC holster.

That's just a little of how my OC Walk was conducted. If you search the forum you'll find the Organizing threads and the AAR threads. Both events turned out 100/100. The only problem was the press never showed up.

For the record, I still have about 75-100 copies of the flyers handed out at the last two events.

 

[Cru]

How about THIS:

Why don't we do an event where INGO members volunteer for some charity (habitat for humanity, a homeless shelter, humane society... etc. somebody pick one) and we OC while doing it. THEN we are spreading goodwill and showing that gun owners aren't all criminals.

I personally am just throwing out ideas and am not claiming to be anything other than what I am: an interested participant.

 

[TraderJack]

Question...
Were any of the previous events held while this idiot was in The White House?

 

[RegionRaider]

I see this backfiring, what's going to end up happening is the state will modify the the carry license to instead of being silent to prohibit open carry. LEOs will push the issue, and maybe if you continually argue with them, they'll get your LTCH pulled. Indiana's shall issue is pretty lax, all of this chatter will end up tightening the laws and some will be left without.

 

[Bill B]

So here are the pertinent questions so far:
What is the goal?
Where will it be held?
When will it be held?

If the goal is to simply "get people used to seeing us" then, imo, walking around the circle in Indy isn't gonna do much. We would be better to have walks in notoriusly anti-oc communities. Fort Wayne comes to mind and for some reason South Bend does too. Anywhere near a university (or even a public street that passes through one) will get some attention from somebody even if it's just a MWAG call to police.
Biggest long-term impact will be made by a routine OC walk in the same communities.
Just my.

 

[SavageEagle]

Question...
Were any of the previous events held while this idiot was in The White House?

Both times.

I see this backfiring, what's going to end up happening is the state will modify the the carry license to instead of being silent to prohibit open carry. LEOs will push the issue, and maybe if you continually argue with them, they'll get your LTCH pulled. Indiana's shall issue is pretty lax, all of this chatter will end up tightening the laws and some will be left without.

I don't. If that's the fight they want, it's gonna be a helluva fight. There's too many of us that would jump out of our skin at a move like that.

So here are the pertinent questions so far:
What is the goal?
Where will it be held?
When will it be held?

If the goal is to simply "get people used to seeing us" then, imo, walking around the circle in Indy isn't gonna do much. We would be better to have walks in notoriusly anti-oc communities. Fort Wayne comes to mind and for some reason South Bend does too. Anywhere near a university (or even a public street that passes through one) will get some attention from somebody even if it's just a MWAG call to police.
Biggest long-term impact will be made by a routine OC walk in the same communities.
Just my.

The goal was stated back a few pages in the beginning. Look for ATF Consumer's posts with the pictures of the flyer.

The other two questions are in contention at the moment. Last poll showed Bloomington, Ft. Wayne, and Indy as the three big spots to do this.

Personally, if we do it, I think it should be in small groups of no more than 10, no less than 5, no police escorts (just a heads up call saying this is what we're doing), and start in different areas and end up in a central location before dispersing back out. Like if it were in Indy, 4 groups starting from N,S,E, and W, converging on the circle, meet and greet for a minute or two, then disperse in a different direction and circle back to start. But that's just my idea of how to handle the next one.

The goal isn't so much just to be visible, and it's certainly not to scare people away. It's more to draw attention to the rights people have and that legit gun carrying citizens are just like them. It would also be nice to have material about Appleseed to hand out as well. Maybe show people that self-defense is more than just relying on 911.

Everyone who owns guns has a reason. However there is one main reason to own guns and it's not about SELF-defense or hunting or sport.

 

[jedi]

SE I'll step up to the plate for the NWI side. We (NWI INGO) have a meet & shoot coming up on the 16 OCT 2010 and @ that time I'll present the info to the group and see if they are interested. If they are then we (NWI INGO) will do a local walk at the same time Indy does one.

Won't know until that sat if NWI will participate with a satellite event.

 

[SavageEagle]

SE I'll step up to the plate for the NWI side. We (NWI INGO) have a meet & shoot coming up on the 16 OCT 2010 and @ that time I'll present the info to the group and see if they are interested. If they are then we (NWI INGO) will do a local walk at the same time Indy does one.

Won't know until that sat if NWI will participate with a satellite event.

That would be awesome. Just let us all know.

Of course, this here thread was opened by someone wanted to do something. I'm proud of that fact and don't want to be stepping on anyone's toes. If they want to host an Open Carry event that doesn't include rifles, I'm all in. Just let me know how I can help. I would like to see another OC Walk like the last two though.

I'm down to organize or just be a part of. I know not many people want to put their name or face out there for something like this and I don't blame them. So I'll be your Huckleberry if I have to. Just don't expect me not to run if they shove a camera in my face.

 

[Andy219]

jediagh, I'm not sure about the rest of the NWI members, but I'm game for a walk. So if this all gets set up with groups in different parts of the state, I think thats aswesome. And I think your the perfect one to organise it, and I'll be more then happy to help, if you want it. Can't step up and handle the load though because I can't even keep my stuff organised.

If there is no intrest up in this section, I'm more than happy to take a road trip to Indy for it. I OC all the time up here so so it wouldn't be anything special if I just walked around NWI OC'ing all by myself. Although, printing up some fliers to keep handy would be a good idea, but then again I'd probably lose them after a few days.

SE, I think the small groups idea is great, sounds like it may be more effective spreading the message and covering more ground. Curious as to having a centralised meeting place at a park or forest preserve for a cookout or something in that nature. Not sure if permits or other regulations conserning gorup picnics and such.

All in all though I'm up for it anywhere, just need a place and a time. I'd probably have more of an intrest of stepping up to bat and organising one, if I wasn't such a last minute type of person. I never make plans for myself. My planning consists of things like "did I wake up in time to make it to McDonalds for breakfast". Or out of the blue deciding I want a new gun, just because.

Anyway I'm rambling on like I always do, but just so you no the calender on my phone is wide open. Just let me know what date and time to mark in it and I'll be there.

 

[ATF Consumer]

As far as the printed flyers...I have several thousand printed that I did before I closed up my printshop last year. we have enough flyers to last the next ten years. If NWI holds their own walk, I'd like to get some of the flyers to you as well.

 

[IndyMonkey]

I see this backfiring, what's going to end up happening is the state will modify the the carry license to instead of being silent to prohibit open carry. LEOs will push the issue, and maybe if you continually argue with them, they'll get your LTCH pulled. Indiana's shall issue is pretty lax, all of this chatter will end up tightening the laws and some will be left without.

A right not exercised is a right that might as well be lost.

 

[ATF Consumer]

A right not exercised is a right that might as well be lost.

Yep, and besides that, we've already done this twice before and none of that crazy talk went on.

 

[SavageEagle]

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SE, I think the small groups idea is great, sounds like it may be more effective spreading the message and covering more ground. Curious as to having a centralised meeting place at a park or forest preserve for a cookout or something in that nature. Not sure if permits or other regulations conserning gorup picnics and such.

All in all though I'm up for it anywhere, just need a place and a time. I'd probably have more of an intrest of stepping up to bat and organising one, if I wasn't such a last minute type of person. I never make plans for myself. My planning consists of things like "did I wake up in time to make it to McDonalds for breakfast". Or out of the blue deciding I want a new gun, just because.

Anyway I'm rambling on like I always do, but just so you no the calender on my phone is wide open. Just let me know what date and time to mark in it and I'll be there.

IF we do it in Indy, we could all start on different areas of downtown and instead of meeting at the circle or something, we could meet up at White River State Park and have a quick cookout or something. That's not a bad idea. I really like that. Pretty sure anything in the Bloomington area that's "carry friendly" that we could stop for a cookout would be well outside the city limits unless you know someone wit a big backyard that lives in town.

As far as the printed flyers...I have several thousand printed that I did before I closed up my printshop last year. we have enough flyers to last the next ten years. If NWI holds their own walk, I'd like to get some of the flyers to you as well.

I was hoping you had more. Couldn't remember so I saved all the one's I've had from the last two.

Yep, and besides that, we've already done this twice before and none of that crazy talk went on.

Exactly. At first it was me worried about it. Second time, everyone else. I think with the precautions that we took the last time we won't have a problem.

Only this time I would REALLY rather not have a cop shadow us unless he's going to walk WITH the group with his M4 slung.

 

[tbhausen]

Hey guys, I started this thread but backed away because I kind of got the sense that I might have been "stepping on toes" of those who'd done similar things in the past that I wasn't aware of. I'll catch up on the thread tonight, and me and my circle of friends are certainly still down with participating in whatever is ultimately organized.

 

[SavageEagle]

Hey guys, I started this thread but backed away because I kind of got the sense that I might have been "stepping on toes" of those who'd done similar things in the past that I wasn't aware of. I'll catch up on the thread tonight, and me and my circle of friends are certainly still down with participating in whatever is ultimately organized.

No toes stepped on here! If you want to organize something, give us a date and place and we'll be there! Expect at LEAST 30 people.

 

[Roadie]

Hey guys, I started this thread but backed away because I kind of got the sense that I might have been "stepping on toes" of those who'd done similar things in the past that I wasn't aware of. I'll catch up on the thread tonight, and me and my circle of friends are certainly still down with participating in whatever is ultimately organized.

Mainly the other events were mentioned as resources for you, and at least from my point of view, it was just common courtesy to reach out to them, know what I mean?

Kinda like if two different Tea party groups in Indy tried to do things seperately, instead of together. Not only is it the right thing to do, to reach out to them, but you also increase your resources, and possible attendance.

See what I mean?

So, go for it!