Indiana ban on gay marriage ruled unconstitutional

[mrjarrell]

Then how would the decision of this judge change the amount of "hate" somebody might "feel"?

Changing peoples hatred and mindsets was not the goal of this ruling. It was righting a wrong and making sure that the state respected the Rights of our gay and lesbian citizens. Haters have to change themselves, you can't fix stupid.

 

[indiucky]

Changing peoples hatred and mindsets was not the goal of this ruling. It was righting a wrong and making sure that the state respected the Rights of our gay and lesbian citizens. Haters have to change themselves, you can't fix stupid.

So folks that think marriage is between a man and a woman are "haters" and "stupid"? Isn't it possible that they are just wanting to stay on the right side of history and not be led like sheeple into this whole redefining of marriage thing? Isn't it possible that someone can disagree with what you think and they not be a "hater" or "stupid"?

Think about what you are saying...In many diverse cultures all around the world "marriage" of one form or another has always been between a man and a woman...Were all of these people "haters" and "stupid"?

I can't imagine a default position where anyone who disagrees with me is "stupid" or a "hater"...I am assuming they have arguments as valid as mine...Perhaps someday your side will quit letting Dan Savage and Saul Alinsky write your methodolgy of argument and perhaps show a little compassion and understanding towards the millions of people who lived before you who did not see the world in same the way you do....

It also may be time to drop the whole "Wrong side of History" line when trashing opponents of gay marriage....I have been trying my best to research an historical precendent for gay marriage and I am not finding much of anything on the subject.....Saying your right doesn't always mean you are right.....I am not saying you are wrong on the gay marriage thing...I think it is wrong but just because I think it is wrong does not mean I am right and you are a "stupid hater" of Texans, Christians, Republicans, and heterosexuals....

I have also never seen marriage as a "right" per se...I guess the closest (historical) we would have had of it being a "right" was when some early man looked across the fire at the woman he wanted, clubbed her on the head and said to the others, "She is mine...It's my right.."

 

[hornadylnl]

Should I show compassion and understanding to those who thought it was ok to own another human being?

Should I show compassion and understanding to those who want to ban my guns?

 

[PistolBob]

Bigoted Hater - Anyone that disagrees with a liberal

So sick of it.

 

[Kart29]

Changing peoples hatred and mindsets was not the goal of this ruling. It was righting a wrong and making sure that the state respected the Rights of our gay and lesbian citizens. Haters have to change themselves, you can't fix stupid.

Here it is again. The only thing that is considered "wrong" by the open-minded, "tolerant" folks is somebody else saying something is "wrong".

You say it's wrong to deny a person the right to marry another of the same sex.

I say it's wrong for the state to recognize a marriage between people of the same sex.

But because what I say is wrong is different than what you say is wrong then you are justified in calling me a "hater" and "stupid" and you are generally intolerant and unaccepting of my beliefs. And you express these ideas so forcefully with an abrasive, insulting words and haughty tone.




And you can't even see the irony in that.

 

[juans]

I agree. They pay taxes

 

[Kart29]

Another thing that bothers me is this fallacy that this whole gay marriage issue has anything to do with what people do in the privacy of their own homes or the state sticking it's nose into people's personal sex lives.

Wake up McFly! It doesn't have anything to do with an individual's sexual preferences!!!!!!!

It has to do with probate court, divorce proceedings, placing children from broken homes, bankruptcy court, criminal law - ALL legitimate, necessary functions of civil government. Like it or not, a family is the basic unit of society and our entire system of civil government and justice is built upon it. There is no possible way for governments to be blind to real, government recognized, legal marriages without rewriting about two thirds of every single local, state, and federal law on the books. To think that civil government and civil justice can in any way operate without recognizing if a person is married or not is utterly ridiculous if you stop to think about for a while.

 

[Mark 1911]

Changing peoples hatred and mindsets was not the goal of this ruling. It was righting a wrong and making sure that the state respected the Rights of our gay and lesbian citizens. Haters have to change themselves, you can't fix stupid.

Amazing that a government that has shown itself opposed to freedom on so many topics is somehow magically for freedom on this one and truly acting in our best interest and everything will be just fine? Could it be that they are much more consistent than that?

 

[IndyGal65]

Can state force acceptance?

My post had nothing to do with acceptance. Would I like for people to at least try to see and understand why gay folks would want to get married? Sure. You bet. But it's not my life's work to change anybody's mind. I try to respect other points of view when done civilly. I may not agree with them, but it doesn't make them or me right, or wrong, just different.

 

[mrjarrell]

Never ceases to amaze me when people read something that isn't there and ignore what is.

 

[Mark 1911]

Works both ways.

 

[jdmack79]

A lot of people are getting bent out of shape about this ruling for no good reason. If you are gay, this is a great decision. If you are straight, then this decision does not greatly effect your life. Straight people are still married, and are still heterosexual. The court did not decided that you must now be gay.

I disagree with homosexuality from a moral/religious perspective, but I still value and acknowledge gay peoples' liberty. Everyone, no matter how I feel about their actions, deserves to have their rights respected. I applaud the Indiana Supreme Court for striking down this law and I truly hope that the state stops wasting money trying to appeal the ruling.

If you want to be offended and complain to your legislators, there are WAY more important reasons for you to do so. Complain about taxes, gun rights, spending, or education - just don't complain that gay people are finally gaining the ability to do something that everyone else has done for centuries.

 

[mrjarrell]

Here it is again. The only thing that is considered "wrong" by the open-minded, "tolerant" folks is somebody else saying something is "wrong".

You say it's wrong to deny a person the right to marry another of the same sex.

I say it's wrong for the state to recognize a marriage between people of the same sex.

But because what I say is wrong is different than what you say is wrong then you are justified in calling me a "hater" and "stupid" and you are generally intolerant and unaccepting of my beliefs. And you express these ideas so forcefully with an abrasive, insulting words and haughty tone.




And you can't even see the irony in that.

The only person labeling you anything is you. I was responding to Henry's post where he used those specific words. Get a grip, no-one's out to get you. You're free to agree or disagree with the fact that marriage apartheid has been overturned in Indiana.

 

[mrjarrell]

Amazing that a government that has shown itself opposed to freedom on so many topics is somehow magically for freedom on this one and truly acting in our best interest and everything will be just fine? Could it be that they are much more consistent than that?

The "government" didn't. The judge did. A government violated the Constitutional Rights of a minority of our states citizenry and that wrong, (which that same government is planning on doubling down on) was corrected by the judge. Government vs government. Sorry you don't like the ruling.

 

[IndyGal65]

Well, the US 7th Court of Appeals court just approved a stay on gay marriages. Now some people can chill the freak out.

http://fox59.com/2014/06/27/zoeller...ay-on-same-sex-marriage-ruling/#axzz35smcPrcS

 

[churchmouse]

A lot of people are getting bent out of shape about this ruling for no good reason. If you are gay, this is a great decision. If you are straight, then this decision does not greatly effect your life. Straight people are still married, and are still heterosexual. The court did not decided that you must now be gay.

I disagree with homosexuality from a moral/religious perspective, but I still value and acknowledge gay peoples' liberty. Everyone, no matter how I feel about their actions, deserves to have their rights respected. I applaud the Indiana Supreme Court for striking down this law and I truly hope that the state stops wasting money trying to appeal the ruling.

If you want to be offended and complain to your legislators, there are WAY more important reasons for you to do so. Complain about taxes, gun rights, spending, or education - just don't complain that gay people are finally gaining the ability to do something that everyone else has done for centuries.

Bingo. My only gripe is if someone does not want to bake your wedding cake or take your wedding pictures then move on to someone that will and leave the news media out of it. Gay is no more or less special than straight. Stop with the "Butt Hurt"

Yeah, I said it.....

 

[bmbutch]

Should I show compassion and understanding to those who thought it was ok to own another human being?

Should I show compassion and understanding to those who want to ban my guns?

I didn't really get the straw man comments, did some research this morning about what it really means. Some great examples I found, now I have two more.

 

[hornadylnl]

I didn't really get the straw man comments, did some research this morning about what it really means. Some great examples I found, now I have two more.

My post was a direct response to the post right before it. I took his argument to its logical conclusion.

Rather than deal with quoting the wall of text on an iPhone, I just responded.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Federal judge grants stay in gay marriage ruling; status of unions already performed in limbo

 

[jamil]

Should I show compassion and understanding to those who thought it was ok to own another human being?

Should I show compassion and understanding to those who want to ban my guns?

My post was a direct response to the post right before it. I took his argument to its logical conclusion.

Rather than deal with quoting the wall of text on an iPhone, I just responded.

Well, ya. But you're still drawing false parallels that the real argument doesn't support.