IMO you have a better chance of being shot by a Gunsite level shooter than being attacked when OCing
I train for what might happen, IMO this won't happen, never has, I'll train for realistic situations, not for Internet commando made up crap
But how do you know it won't happen? It's a possibility that it could happen. I know for a fact, because it happened last year, that a guy was distracted by a BG coming up to him asking for money, and the BG immediately punched him in the face. While another guy came from behind and knocked him to his knees.
**** happens. Especially when you don't expect it. You're an idiot if you don't train for the most unrealistic possibilities. Because there is always the chance it could happen.
And I'm talking about quality training. Not that back yard crap.
Wow. So, did the bad guys take the guys gun?
How many times has this happened to an OCer?
IMO you have a better chance of being shot by a Gunsite level shooter than being attacked when OCing
Maybe you don't get it, criminals choose the easy path, they attack people that they think they can win against, someone with a gun is generally referred to as a hard target, criminals choose soft targets
I train for what might happen, IMO this won't happen, never has, I'll train for realistic situations, not for Internet commando made up crap
But how do you know it won't happen? It's a possibility that it could happen. I know for a fact, because it happened last year, that a guy was distracted by a BG coming up to him asking for money, and the BG immediately punched him in the face. While another guy came from behind and knocked him to his knees.
**** happens. Especially when you don't expect it. You're an idiot if you don't train for the most unrealistic possibilities. Because there is always the chance it could happen.
And I'm talking about quality training. Not that back yard crap.
He wasn't carrying. But the fact is, he was distracted. He wasn't prepared for the attack from behind.
Which just proves you need to train and be ready for any possibility. Even for the possibility of someone taking your own gun. OCing or CCing. There's always a chance.
Sorry, but I gotta go with SJ on this one. Your scenario isn't valid because the guy wasn't carrying. Would the bad guys have done that had he been OC? I guess we will never know, but I would say 99% sure that they would have chosen an easier target. The OP's original "punch in the nose" scenario is unrealistic as well. How many times has someone just walked up to you, unprovoked, and blind sided you with a punch to the nose? I would think that if a confrontation escalated to the point of throwing punches, you would already be aware of the threat and would be somewhat protecting/covering your gun.
Like SJ said, I train for what is realistic. I don't enlist in SPECOPS/Counter Terrorism training courses, because my chances of ever being involved in such a situation are slim. Could a suicide bomber blow himself up in the middle of the mall? Sure, it COULD happen. But is it likely? NO. So I don't wear body armor and a helmet.
My chances of anyone ever attempting to take my gun out of its holster without my knowledge are EXTREMELY rare. The chances of them actually taking it are even more rare. So I choose to spend my time training for situations that are more realistic.
Maybe I should restate what has already been stated. Show me 1 instance of an OC'er who had their gun taken from its holster. (1 instance shouldn't be too hard to find if it really is that common an occurance)
Since some of you train on what "might" happen, let me throw this scenario out there, you are swimming in a rooftop pool and a sniper shoots you from another roof, that " might" happen, how do you train for it?
In The Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry, Massad Ayoob gives some examples of open carriers (not LEOs) who've had their guns grabbed by criminals. Rest assured that this can and does happen. Ayoob likes guns with manual safeties for open carry due to the chance that the criminal will be unfamiliar with your weapon and be unable to shoot you immediately, thus buying you time to react and save your life. In the same book he cites examples of this happening with both a 1911 and an HK P7.
In the same book he cites examples of this happening with both a 1911 and an HK P7.
you are swimming in a rooftop pool and a sniper shoots you from another roof, that " might" happen, how do you train for it?
Since some of you train on what "might" happen, let me throw this scenario out there, you are swimming in a rooftop pool and a sniper shoots you from another roof, that " might" happen, how do you train for it?
The P7 incident he references happened to a gun dealer right here in Indy IIRC.
This one's easy-- don't make enemies with a rooftop sniper.