How Timothy McVeigh's Ideals Entered the Mainstream

[jamil]

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/06/12/extremist-ideas-take-hold-republican-party-337913.html

If there were just a tad bit more snark, I'd say it was written by a certain INGOer.

 

[D-Ric902]

Hmmmm,
I wonder if Lenin's ideas have entered the mainstream

 

[Arthur Dent]

That was quite amusing to read.

 

[Cerberus]

Hmmmm,
I wonder if Lenin's ideas have entered the mainstream

Only since 1929.

 

[Twangbanger]

There's fringe groups of all kinds in America, always have been...but the author finally arrives at the paragraph containing the political point this article was written to convey:

"...Allen says the problem with the GOP’s absorption of extremist rhetoric and goals is not that it encourages the violent, but that it obstructs the normal ebb and flow of politics. When politicians court a base that believes the federal government is the enemy, it becomes nearly impossible to negotiate. Judging by the gridlocked committee rooms of the Capitol, that metaphorical truck bomb has already detonated in the heart of the American political process."

Got that? It's the same old Chris Matthews lament: Washington doesn't work like it used to anymore. "Your Daddy's Republican Party" used to make deals with Democrat Presidents. "Ronald Reagan talked like a Conservative...but he was in the back room making deals with Tip O'Neill." I get my Military Base...you get your HUD funding. That's the kind of Republican the libs want more of: guys like George Bush Sr., who will raise taxes to generate more money for Uncle Sugar - then take the political fall for it.

Your Daddy's Republican Party is sputtering - the libs are pizzed - and they're ready to compare you to Baby Murderers to express their frustration.

(Of course...the Democrat party nominating divisive Presidents who call religious gun-owners Bitter Clingers has nothing to do with this).

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Nullification? Was McVeigh a big fan of nullification? That's Andy Horning, not Timmy McVeigh.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I skimmed the article and must have missed it. Does the author describe, list or lay out Timothy McVeigh's ideals?

I really don't know what his ideals were, I never got that much into him.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Interesting read.

 

[oldpink]

No need to read any further than taking a look at the name of this hack of a "journalist": Nina Burleigh
For those of you uninformed about this hag - Reporter Who Offered Bill Clinton Oral Sex Calls "Clinton Cash" Author "Right-Wing Hatchet Man" | Video | RealClearPolitics

 

[cobber]

No need to read any further than taking a look at the name of this hack of a "journalist": Nina Burleigh
For those of you uninformed about this hag - Reporter Who Offered Bill Clinton Oral Sex Calls "Clinton Cash" Author "Right-Wing Hatchet Man" | Video | RealClearPolitics

What's her INGO name?

 

[MisterChester]

There's fringe groups of all kinds in America, always have been...but the author finally arrives at the paragraph containing the political point this article was written to convey:

"...Allen says the problem with the GOP’s absorption of extremist rhetoric and goals is not that it encourages the violent, but that it obstructs the normal ebb and flow of politics. When politicians court a base that believes the federal government is the enemy, it becomes nearly impossible to negotiate. Judging by the gridlocked committee rooms of the Capitol, that metaphorical truck bomb has already detonated in the heart of the American political process."

Got that? It's the same old Chris Matthews lament: Washington doesn't work like it used to anymore. "Your Daddy's Republican Party" used to make deals with Democrat Presidents. "Ronald Reagan talked like a Conservative...but he was in the back room making deals with Tip O'Neill." I get my Military Base...you get your HUD funding. That's the kind of Republican the libs want more of: guys like George Bush Sr., who will raise taxes to generate more money for Uncle Sugar - then take the political fall for it.

Your Daddy's Republican Party is sputtering - the libs are pizzed - and they're ready to compare you to Baby Murderers to express their frustration.

(Of course...the Democrat party nominating divisive Presidents who call religious gun-owners Bitter Clingers has nothing to do with this).

These are the same people that say Washington is broken, government is the enemy, it's the liberal media's fault, and then refuse to come to the table at all because reasons. That doesn't make much sense to say something is so forsaken and gone yet coming to the table to talk is the worst idea ever. Most Americans like it when their leaders can negotiate and play nice and show actual leadership. If I wanted to see a carnival act in DC I need only watch a congress in session. It's a shame that a willingness to negotiate has become a sign of weakness.

 

[Birds Away]

These are the same people that say Washington is broken, government is the enemy, it's the liberal media's fault, and then refuse to come to the table at all because reasons. That doesn't make much sense to say something is so forsaken and gone yet coming to the table to talk is the worst idea ever. Most Americans like it when their leaders can negotiate and play nice and show actual leadership. If I wanted to see a carnival act in DC I need only watch a congress in session. It's a shame that a willingness to negotiate has become a sign of weakness.

Compromise can be all well and good until you start compromising your principles. You can't give away the farm just to show that you got something done.

 

[jamil]

These are the same people that say Washington is broken, government is the enemy, it's the liberal media's fault, and then refuse to come to the table at all because reasons. That doesn't make much sense to say something is so forsaken and gone yet coming to the table to talk is the worst idea ever. Most Americans like it when their leaders can negotiate and play nice and show actual leadership. If I wanted to see a carnival act in DC I need only watch a congress in session. It's a shame that a willingness to negotiate has become a sign of weakness.

If you want less government intrusion than we have, and after the end of every negotiation you have more government intrusion. What has the other side given you? What's the negotiation for anyway? Less intrusion than what they really wanted? Pfft.

 

[jamil]

Hmmmm,
I wonder if Lenin's ideas have entered the mainstream

I was actually thinking along the same lines as I read the article. Has it not occurred to the author what the Democratic Party has become?

What's her INGO name?

I dunno. Dog whistle something I think.

 

[MisterChester]

Compromise can be all well and good until you start compromising your principles. You can't give away the farm just to show that you got something done.

Thats totally fine until everything becomes a central principle. This is a problem in both parties. Everybody must have everything they want or no deal, I don't think that's good governing.

 

[MisterChester]

If you want less government intrusion than we have, and after the end of every negotiation you have more government intrusion. What has the other side given you? What's the negotiation for anyway? Less intrusion than what they really wanted? Pfft.

Government intrusion is not an inevitable result, it's just nobody faithfully fights for less intrusion. Each party wants control of different things, so the controlling at best is just changing hands. It's not the negotiating it's the people who are negotiating amongst themselves.

 

[HoughMade]

Wait, wait wait....these guys get to use "Guilt by Association" to try to make a point and all my efforts at "Slippery Slope" are rejected?

C'mon.

 

[IndyDave1776]

These are the same people that say Washington is broken, government is the enemy, it's the liberal media's fault, and then refuse to come to the table at all because reasons. That doesn't make much sense to say something is so forsaken and gone yet coming to the table to talk is the worst idea ever. Most Americans like it when their leaders can negotiate and play nice and show actual leadership. If I wanted to see a carnival act in DC I need only watch a congress in session. It's a shame that a willingness to negotiate has become a sign of weakness.

The bottom line is that there is a correct way to address this which neither party is willing to accept: The government exists on the terms established in the Constitution. The problem is a few generations of politicians treating the Constitution like Barbossa treated the Pirates' Code in Pirates of the Caribbean, declaring the code to be more suggestions than rules.

When the government flagrantly violates the Constitution with no indication of letting up, it IS the enemy, or rather those making it up are the very domestic enemies our founders warned us about.

 

[sidewinder27]

I don't remember where I heard it but here it goes. Look at a pendulum as the gauge of politics. To the left of where you are standing is Democrat and to the right is Republican. When the pendulum swings far to the left it will next swing far to the right. Then it will stop swinging so far until you have a middle of the road candidate unless someone kicks the ball at the end.

 

[JS1911]

The stupid is quite strong with Ms. Burleigh. If I didn't know any better, I'd say this article really WAS written by Anarchist Butters.