Happy Merry, Everyone!

[Shadowbeach]

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[CarmelHP]

More anti-Christmas lunacy from that leftist State that just keeps on churning it out...

California Official Orders Removal of Christmas Angel After Complaint - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

"Stars" are Christian symbols? Did they take them off the flag too, or are those already outlawed in Californication?

 

[Shadowbeach]

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[bigiron]

what a shock. beware, its happening everywhere now and theres not a damn thing we can do about it. sometimes freedom can be taken to an extreme.

 

[Phil502]

I am not sure I see that as religious. Do you guys? Are angels always religious?

 

[Phil502]

I found this on Irv Sutley, interesting story.

A personal story; private E-1 Irv Sutley, service number 1976961. | Goliath Business News

 

[Spot Me 2]

And we wonder why this country has gone to hell in a handbasket....

 

[femurphy77]

I found this on Irv Sutley, interesting story.

A personal story; private E-1 Irv Sutley, service number 1976961. | Goliath Business News

Can you copy and paste this story to the forum? I'm not registered with that site and am not going to provide them with the info required to view the story.

Interesting reading the first few sentences though, I can just see Pvt. Sutley standing in formation that fine day refusing to his Marine D.I.s no less to go to church services. He might get away with it today but this occured in 1962! Of course he wrote the article so I'm sure it is written purely in an unbiased or glorified way.

 

[Phil502]

Can you copy and paste this story to the forum? I'm not registered with that site and am not going to provide them with the info required to view the story.

Interesting reading the first few sentences though, I can just see Pvt. Sutley standing in formation that fine day refusing to his Marine D.I.s no less to go to church services. He might get away with it today but this occured in 1962! Of course he wrote the article so I'm sure it is written purely in an unbiased or glorified way.

I don't want to register there either, sorry, thats all I have on it.
This is what you get from google search Irv Sutley.

I enlisted at age 17 in the spring of 1962 and was discharged in 1970. During my first week in basic training at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego, California, our training platoon, number 343, along with all other recruit formations were scheduled to take part in the mandatory weekly church services which were held every Sunday morning.

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All of the new enlistees were required to attend one of four religious meetings: protestant, catholic, buddhist, or jewish. In front of a battalion formation, I refused to attend any of these compulsory activities--basing my refusal on constitutional grounds that the government has no right to compel an individual or class of persons to attend any sectarian activity. This refusal enraged my platoon's non-commissioned officers (the infamous Marine Corps drill instructors) as well as my company's commanding officer. But despite threats of a court-martial, along with personal and off the record warnings and threats, I was determined to hold my ground. Using the right under Naval service regulations to appeal up the chain of command under what the Department of the Navy calls the "Request Mast" procedure, I made it clear that I would take my appeal all the way to then President John F. Kennedy as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. I also indicated that if need be, I would also initiate legal action through the Federal court system in order not to be subjected to religious superstitions. Several steps up the chain of command, the base officers, apparently panicked at this show of determination.

They must have realized that a legal victory overturning this compulsory chapel would break down the boot camp structure by giving recruits the practical knowledge that they did not have to obey orders which violate their Constitutional rights. The command structure then administratively excused me from the weekly religious indoctrination.

During my eight year enlistment (all of which I spent as a Private E-1), I never saluted any officer who was a military chaplain. The chaplains wear both religious symbols on their uniforms as well as their insignia of rank. My superiors advised me that as an enlisted personnel I was required to render a salute to the chaplain's military rank, but I countered that as an Atheist I would never salute a religious totem nor would I address a chaplain by military or religious title. When the recruits were processed for their personal identification tags (often referred to as "dog tags"), the following information was to be...

 

[RachelMarie]

In my book...It will always be CHRISTmas. ALWAYS. No one can take that from anyone who believes. I will continue to make a Birthday cake for the LORD on CHRISTmas. Callie will be raised knowing what Christmas REALLY is. California is sick....

 

[jdhaines]

Can't say he's wishy-washy. I have respect for someone who sticks with what he believes. If someone is forced to attend a religious gathering with which they have no affiliation who cares whether it's Islam, Christianity, or UCAW (United Confederation of Alien Worshipers).

I don't, however, agree with his complaint. Whether you believe in the Christian history of Christmas or not, most should agree that the holiday is a celebration for the majority of people, not a Christian way of shoving their religion down people's throats. Most atheists don't take issue with Christmas, Easter, etc. When you aren't part of the majority, you have to be able to accept that things won't be exactly the way you would have them.

 

[tv1217]

During my eight year enlistment (all of which I spent as a Private E-1), I never saluted any officer who was a military chaplain. The chaplains wear both religious symbols on their uniforms as well as their insignia of rank. My superiors advised me that as an enlisted personnel I was required to render a salute to the chaplain's military rank, but I countered that as an Atheist I would never salute a religious totem nor would I address a chaplain by military or religious title. When the recruits were processed for their personal identification tags (often referred to as "dog tags"), the following information was to be...

Wow, can you say disrespectful d-bag?

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

He is going to be in for a big surprise when he passes on.

 

[Srtsi4wd]

Holiday Motto for the PRC:

Merhappma HoliChrismaHaunaKwanzadan!

YouTube - Jeff Dunham's Very Special Christmas Special - Walter

Walter sums up my feelings on the subject!

 

[groovatron]

He is going to be in for a big surprise when he passes on.

 

[cce1302]

"I just don't believe government has the right to intrude on anyone and force them into sectarian behavior,"

Yeah, having a star and an angel on a tree really forced him into sectarian behavior.
The article says he's a disabled ex-Marine. I wonder if his venom-spewing hate-paralyzed atheism is his disability?
(ok, the article didn't say he's an ex-Marine, it said Marine veteran, but I'd like to revoke that status from him.)

 

[wtfd661]

Um, Kommiefornia makes me sick can we get rid of that instead.