Federal law requiring private citizens to file tax returns

[Steelman]

Any one found the actual black and white text requiring us to file tax returns?

 

[NateIU10]

Yep. Read this bad boy:

Income Tax Page

 

[Bigum1969]

Yep. Read this bad boy:

Income Tax Page

Bummer.

 

[NateIU10]

Bummer.

Yeah, i know lol. But I haven't had a job in 3 years so no taxes paid, so that's good. Bad thing is i'm now $75,000 in debt for college loans (and no, I do not have a credit card ) and more to come

 

[Steelman]

Nate,


Are you sure the tax code is the law?

Did the sixteen amendment provide any new taxing powers to Congress?

Is corporate gains/profits what really is supposed to be the only taxable income?




I'm looking up an Illinois case where the state law indicated that "all persons reuired to file a federal return are required to file a state return. Man gets nailed for tax evasion. Jury unable to locate federal law. Ask judge for federal law - no law found. Man gets cased dismissed, but IRS has seized his property.


Illinois v Whitney????? Can't find anything concrete, yet. Need Sleep.

 

[NateIU10]

From my previous link:

The Internal Revenue Code is the law that requires people to pay taxes (and yes, the Internal Revenue Code is the law -- for more detail on this point click here).

So yes, to my understanding, it is

 

[NateIU10]

The only Illinois V. Whitney case I can find has to do with a double-murder, so a link would help a bit People v. Whitney

 

[SavageEagle]

bigum- Nice avatar!

Good thread! Keep it coming!

 

[rhino]

You don't have to file if you don't owe anything, though.

 

[SavageEagle]

Can they look up things you sold on ebay and use that against you?

 

[rhino]

They'd have to prove you made a taxable profit. Selling stuff you already own doesn't always produce any net income.

 

[SavageEagle]

Well, I bought and sold or bought, repaired, and sold. So how would I know if it's taxable? I'm sure the wholesale phones I bought and then sold on ebay would have been taxable. But what about everything else?

 

[NateIU10]

You don't have to file if you don't owe anything, though.

Yes, but that is stipulated in the law i believe (tax code), so the law requires some to file and does not require others to file.

 

[rhino]

Yeah, based on your income level. I've had many years when I did not need to file since I was disabled with zero income (as in no income at all, not gaming the system to show no income). Many people with minimal income (below the amount of the basic deduction) don't need to file, but they should file in order to get back anything that was withheld that they don't actually owe.

 

[Steelman]

I'm looking up an Illinois case where the state law indicated that "all persons reuired to file a federal return are required to file a state return. Man gets nailed for tax evasion. Jury unable to locate federal law. Ask judge for federal law - no law found. Man gets cased dismissed, but IRS has seized his property.


Illinois v Whitney????? Can't find anything concrete, yet. Need Sleep.

No link.


PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS vs. GAYLON L. HARRELL, Case Number 97CF89 in the Circuit Court of the Twentieth Judicial Circuit, St. Clair County, Illinois


His nickname was "Whitey"!!!! That was holding me up.


Make sure you know the difference between direct and indirect taxes. Also which taxes must be apportioned and how they relate to the Constitution.

 

[NateIU10]

Do we as Americans really have to pay Taxes? - Yahoo! Answers pretty much sums it all up. Direct vs indirect is also addressed in the second posted answer IIRC.

Also this link is helpful: Tax Protester FAQ

ETA: The yahoo link gives a good timeline of "Whitey" also.

 

[Steelman]

Do we as Americans really have to pay Taxes? - Yahoo! Answers pretty much sums it all up. Direct vs indirect is also addressed in the second posted answer IIRC.

Also this link is helpful: Tax Protester FAQ

ETA: The yahoo link gives a good timeline of "Whitey" also.

The point of the exercise is for you to dust off that copy of the constitution and quit copy/pasting articles posted by aspiring CPAs.


Don't care what Yahoo answers states. What does the Constitution of the United States say?

 

[spasmo]

Can they look up things you sold on ebay and use that against you?

I don't know how it is done (assuming ebay reports sales information over a certain amount) but it has been done. I can't find the specific article where a woman was in trouble for not reporting her income from ebay.
It is income and you are required to report it to the IRS but there may be a $ amount that is required to hit before you need to report it. I don't actually know that either. If you do a lot of selling on ebay though, I would look up the law.

 

[4sarge]

The point of the exercise is for you to dust off that copy of the constitution and quit copy/pasting articles posted by aspiring CPAs.


Don't care what Yahoo answers states. What does the Constitution of the United States say?

You need to live in the real world. It's great to sit around in your undies, drinking a cold one blowing off, but in reality, legal or illegal the IRS will get theirs. If you do not want to pay or file then do so. But grow a pair, call up the IRS and tell them that you aren't paying and will gladly challenge them to collect any monies that you do not feel that you owe them. After you do that, please post the results

 

[NateIU10]

You need to live in the real world. It's great to sit around in your undies, drinking a cold one blowing off, but in reality, legal or illegal the IRS will get theirs. If you do not want to pay or file then do so. But grow a pair, call up the IRS and tell them that you aren't paying and will gladly challenge them to collect any monies that you do not feel that you owe them. After you do that, please post the results