Damn CPS!!!! At it again!!

[BehindBlueI's]

I got a few complaints *from* CPS workers when I worked the street. They didn't like how I conducted business in relationship to the way they conducted theirs, I suppose. That said, there's a lot of lousy parents out there and its not the kids' fault their parents are screw ups. If you don't think society has an interest in keeping children safe, we'll likely never see eye to eye. None of us are an island, and those kids are going to grow up to inhabit the exact same world your kids are. Then our kids can sit on the Internet and ***** about how lazy those kids are working fast food or being petty thugs.

I'd love to see an overhaul of the system, more uniformity and transparency in how they do things, PROPER FUNDING AND TRAINING to field educated and efficient workers, but here's the deal. Society doesn't care. Out of sight, out of mind, and if abused and neglected children grow up to prey on others as they were preyed out, well, that's the way it goes. Just make a thread on free lunches for kids and watch the little McCarthys come out with the online Red Scare. Like caring for a society's most vulnerable member isn't a valid use of our resources.

 

[steveh_131]

Go get bent. You can take your "straw man " comments and shove 'em. If you call this a civil conversation then maybe you need to get out more and see how real grown-ups discuss things without snide/ baiting comments like yours. Yeah I'm pissed. I don't like allowing others to push me to this point. Maybe that's why I have under 800 posts instead of over 4000 because I attempt to only engage in intelligent conversations.

Oh, I don't know. I can have a lively debate, complete with snide comments with my friends and then crack a beer and watch a good Arnold movie with no problemo.

You're being awfully dramatic!

 

[IndyDave1776]

I got a few complaints *from* CPS workers when I worked the street. They didn't like how I conducted business in relationship to the way they conducted theirs, I suppose. That said, there's a lot of lousy parents out there and its not the kids' fault their parents are screw ups. If you don't think society has an interest in keeping children safe, we'll likely never see eye to eye. None of us are an island, and those kids are going to grow up to inhabit the exact same world your kids are. Then our kids can sit on the Internet and ***** about how lazy those kids are working fast food or being petty thugs.

I'd love to see an overhaul of the system, more uniformity and transparency in how they do things, PROPER FUNDING AND TRAINING to field educated and efficient workers, but here's the deal. Society doesn't care. Out of sight, out of mind, and if abused and neglected children grow up to prey on others as they were preyed out, well, that's the way it goes. Just make a thread on free lunches for kids and watch the little McCarthys come out with the online Red Scare. Like caring for a society's most vulnerable member isn't a valid use of our resources.

I agree. I believe that sworn law enforcement officers operating withing acceptable due process should be the vehicle of protecting children along with everyone else, not an unaccountable agency that largely operates as it pleases.

About the lunch thread, be careful about McCarthy. Documents declassified well after speaking the truth wrecked his political career established that 1., he was right, and 2., the .gov (at least the executive branch) knew it at the time.

 

[lucky4034]

I got a few complaints *from* CPS workers when I worked the street. They didn't like how I conducted business in relationship to the way they conducted theirs, I suppose. That said, there's a lot of lousy parents out there and its not the kids' fault their parents are screw ups. If you don't think society has an interest in keeping children safe, we'll likely never see eye to eye. None of us are an island, and those kids are going to grow up to inhabit the exact same world your kids are. Then our kids can sit on the Internet and ***** about how lazy those kids are working fast food or being petty thugs.

I'd love to see an overhaul of the system, more uniformity and transparency in how they do things, PROPER FUNDING AND TRAINING to field educated and efficient workers, but here's the deal. Society doesn't care. Out of sight, out of mind, and if abused and neglected children grow up to prey on others as they were preyed out, well, that's the way it goes. Just make a thread on free lunches for kids and watch the little McCarthys come out with the online Red Scare. Like caring for a society's most vulnerable member isn't a valid use of our resources.

Exactly... but Governors and Senators can have $24k a year for coffee and donuts. Cuts need to be made and you are correct that the entire system needs an overhaul, but there are gross abuses of funds at all levels that need addressed... School lunches are pretty low on the list.

 

[lucky4034]

Best gif in awhile!

 

[CarmelHP]

I got a few complaints *from* CPS workers when I worked the street. They didn't like how I conducted business in relationship to the way they conducted theirs, I suppose. That said, there's a lot of lousy parents out there and its not the kids' fault their parents are screw ups. If you don't think society has an interest in keeping children safe, we'll likely never see eye to eye. None of us are an island, and those kids are going to grow up to inhabit the exact same world your kids are. Then our kids can sit on the Internet and ***** about how lazy those kids are working fast food or being petty thugs.

I'd love to see an overhaul of the system, more uniformity and transparency in how they do things, PROPER FUNDING AND TRAINING to field educated and efficient workers, but here's the deal. Society doesn't care. Out of sight, out of mind, and if abused and neglected children grow up to prey on others as they were preyed out, well, that's the way it goes. Just make a thread on free lunches for kids and watch the little McCarthys come out with the online Red Scare. Like caring for a society's most vulnerable member isn't a valid use of our resources.

Oh, Gawd, it's for the children!, it takes a village, yada, yada, yada. When we DIDN'T hand out lunches to the family of every bum, was crime higher or lower? Since the niggling and meddling of the state, have things gotten better or worse? I'm sorry that everyone that doesn't want to hand you free rein to their purse because you used a few buzzwords and shibboleths is a "McCarthy." You're making the same claims made by every crook and con-man in history, and logic fails you.

 

[IndyDave1776]

All said and done, my biggest issue with school lunches is that the free/reduced program is available to most who are not independently wealthy and brings a two-fold problem: It teaches dependency on government agencies at a tender age when it will be accepted without question and it is used as a gateway for panhandling more federal money based on 'need' as measured by the head count on free/reduced lunch. This includes money for equipment, aides, special application teacher/social workers and probably plenty of other things which have faded into the fog of my memory.

I will agree, however, that if a wrong-headed program is going to happen, it should happen equally so long as no special conditions are involved like hiring a non-english speaker a personal interpreter.

 

[CarmelHP]

Go get bent. You can take your "straw man " comments and shove 'em. If you call this a civil conversation then maybe you need to get out more and see how real grown-ups discuss things without snide/ baiting comments like yours. Yeah I'm pissed. I don't like allowing others to push me to this point. Maybe that's why I have under 800 posts instead of over 4000 because I attempt to only engage in intelligent conversations.

Bob

This thread wasn't even particularly contentious as political threads go. If you're that thin-skinned, you probably shouldn't make threads with snarky/snide/juvenile/uncivil titles and expect everyone not to follow your lead.

 

[RockofStrength]

I got a few complaints *from* CPS workers when I worked the street. They didn't like how I conducted business in relationship to the way they conducted theirs, I suppose. That said, there's a lot of lousy parents out there and its not the kids' fault their parents are screw ups. If you don't think society has an interest in keeping children safe, we'll likely never see eye to eye. None of us are an island, and those kids are going to grow up to inhabit the exact same world your kids are. Then our kids can sit on the Internet and ***** about how lazy those kids are working fast food or being petty thugs.

I'd love to see an overhaul of the system, more uniformity and transparency in how they do things, PROPER FUNDING AND TRAINING to field educated and efficient workers, but here's the deal. Society doesn't care. Out of sight, out of mind, and if abused and neglected children grow up to prey on others as they were preyed out, well, that's the way it goes. Just make a thread on free lunches for kids and watch the little McCarthys come out with the online Red Scare. Like caring for a society's most vulnerable member isn't a valid use of our resources.

The issue is not whether it is a valid use of resources: it's who gets to make that decision. My resources are my resources, so if you want to fund lunches, CPS, whatever, that's your business. Just don't expect to be able to reach into my wallet and walk off with my cash without serious complaint on my part.

 

[VUPDblue]

 

[flatlander]

This thread wasn't even particularly contentious as political threads go. If you're that thin-skinned, you probably shouldn't make threads with snarky/snide/juvenile/uncivil titles and expect everyone not to follow your lead.

We can't all be as cultured as you who look down from your lofty throne o wise one Snarky etc..? As I said before was trying to at least show a reason why MAYBE CPS isn't all bad.
Thinned skinned ? You have NO idea how truly thick skinned I am
The conversation seems to have come back around to a discussion. I never said CPS is perfect. What's the alternative? Why not just fix something that's already in place rather than recreate the wheel? The "old" days weren't all that great for a whole bunch of people but I do agree it was a damn sight better than it is today. I came up with a saying at work when asked why I seem to be busier than others- Too few doing too much/ too many doing too little. That is the problem with .gov in a nutshell for me. There are worthwhile agencies but there are more worthless agencies that have sucked the country dry.
Instead of bashing and *****in' put out suggestions on what to do instead.

Bob

 

[IndyDave1776]

Instead of bashing and *****in' put out suggestions on what to do instead.

Bob

I believe that has already been covered.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I agree. I believe that sworn law enforcement officers operating withing acceptable due process should be the vehicle of protecting children along with everyone else, not an unaccountable agency that largely operates as it pleases.

I'm not sure that teaching cops how foster care works, having an officer out of service arranging temporary housing, referring to needed resources for therapy, etc. is really the answer. For all of CPS's faults, of which there are many, both minor and major, I think shutting down the whole enterprise is throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'm not sure that teaching cops how foster care works, having an officer out of service arranging temporary housing, referring to needed resources for therapy, etc. is really the answer. For all of CPS's faults, of which there are many, both minor and major, I think shutting down the whole enterprise is throwing out the baby with the bath water.

I don't have a problem with non-LEO guidance. I would think that this would fit within the purview of the local prosecutor's office (problematic as those can be at times). At minimum, these people should not have the arbitrary power that they have either in theory or in practice, nor should they be able to make extrajudicial decisions with a cop in tow as an enforcer, and flagrant disregard given to due process. The result of the present systems is a group of highly dangerous people in circulation with a great deal of authority and for all practical purposes no accountability whose own interests may not necessarily parallel those of the children they supposedly serve.

Sworn officers and warrants are a good combination in the event of a worthwhile intervention.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Oh, Gawd, it's for the children!, it takes a village, yada, yada, yada. When we DIDN'T hand out lunches to the family of every bum, was crime higher or lower? Since the niggling and meddling of the state, have things gotten better or worse? I'm sorry that everyone that doesn't want to hand you free rein to their purse because you used a few buzzwords and shibboleths is a "McCarthy." You're making the same claims made by every crook and con-man in history, and logic fails you.

Like I said, we'll never see eye to eye. I just know that without all that rampant socialism I wouldn't be alive to type this, and I think despite my crooked and con-mannish ways I've been a pretty positive contributor to society over the years and more than paid back what I ate in government commodities and food stamps.

 

[Denny347]

I agree. I believe that sworn law enforcement officers operating withing acceptable due process should be the vehicle of protecting children along with everyone else, not an unaccountable agency that largely operates as it pleases.

About the lunch thread, be careful about McCarthy. Documents declassified well after speaking the truth wrecked his political career established that 1., he was right, and 2., the .gov (at least the executive branch) knew it at the time.

What should we do with kids we pull out of the homes? Take them to our house? Who manages their family counselling? After we take the kid because their intestine is coming out of their anus from boyfriend raping 18 month old while mom was at work, who makes sure the kid is safe until mom gets her crap together? Who takes care of the 2yr olds while mom is out getting drunk and leaves them alone for a day or so? Or who intervenes with a mom to take the kid away while she gets counseling so I don't have to shoo any more turkey buzzards away from a dead infant at the edge of a creek as they are tearing it apart for food. The academic discussion is quaint. However, having witness these and MUCH more, I can tell you that in real life, DCS has a purpose. Fix it...FINE, but law enforcement is not social services or family counseling...which is the meat of DCS's function. Do away with them is irresponsible and ill informed. Read internet articles all you want about it but until you see it, smell it, are surrounded by it, you really don't understand. But hey, I'm the one that gets to clean up the mess, not you. Nothing like trying to revive a dead 2 week old because aunt let it sleep sitting up in a car seat. Out of sight...out of mind...yours that is.

 

[VUPDblue]

Rep to Denny

 

[Mike Elzinga]

CPS does not operate independently and does not operate outside of due process. In an EMERGENCY situation the children can be removed and a court hearing will be scheduled within 48 hours of removal. Everything CPS does is done with a court order. If you abolish CPS you will kill thousands of kids in Indiana alone, every year. Let's all research before we start making wild claims about how we think the system works.

 

[Denny347]

CPS does not operate independently and does not operate outside of due process. In an EMERGENCY situation the children can be removed and a court hearing will be scheduled within 48 hours of removal. Everything CPS does is done with a court order. If you abolish CPS you will kill thousands of kids in Indiana alone, every year. Let's all research before we start making wild claims about how we think the system works.

Yeah but.....FREEDOM.

 

[IndyDave1776]

What should we do with kids we pull out of the homes? Take them to our house? Who manages their family counselling? After we take the kid because their intestine is coming out of their anus from boyfriend raping 18 month old while mom was at work, who makes sure the kid is safe until mom gets her crap together? Who takes care of the 2yr olds while mom is out getting drunk and leaves them alone for a day or so? Or who intervenes with a mom to take the kid away while she gets counseling so I don't have to shoo any more turkey buzzards away from a dead infant at the edge of a creek as they are tearing it apart for food. The academic discussion is quaint. However, having witness these and MUCH more, I can tell you that in real life, DCS has a purpose. Fix it...FINE, but law enforcement is not social services or family counseling...which is the meat of DCS's function. Do away with them is irresponsible and ill informed. Read internet articles all you want about it but until you see it, smell it, are surrounded by it, you really don't understand. But hey, I'm the one that gets to clean up the mess, not you. Nothing like trying to revive a dead 2 week old because aunt let it sleep sitting up in a car seat. Out of sight...out of mind...yours that is.

The problem isn't in having a place arranged ahead of time for threatened children or having personnel specializing in social work. The problem is turning these people loose unrestrained outside of due process. Some things are the venue of law enforcement, which would include enforcing the law. Just as you don't have to take arrestees home with you and there is a place to put them, the same applies here. The other thing is that it doesn't necessarily have to be the same pool of officers. It just doesn't work to have someone with a degree in social work being turned loose as judge, jury, and executioner, again without any meaningful due process.

I would also point out that you raised a couple of examples of people who should not be breathing our air. Those are criminal offenses. Were these people left to roam free and if so why?