Cut off the water and the vine dies.

[jontheturboguy]

I'm at my boiling point.

Although I'll respect the website's other members and its owner, I will hold back any postings of "civil war" or "bloodshed."

For one, you can write, call, fax, email, tar & feather life sized cut outs, protest, wave flags, shout, yell, blog, twitter, facespace, mybook, and all the other "peaceful" stuff we have been doing for years now.

WASHINGTON AND THE BAS@#%@%ARDS WHO LIVE THERE DO NOT CARE NOR WILL THEY LISTEN TO YOU.

Short of stating, "Lets have a million person armed march on capitol hill taking our country back" I'll state this:

Cut off the water, and the vine dies.

I understand 100% that taxes support certain things in society. I get it. Schools. Roads. 911 services. Local Government.

But what happens with a tyrannical federal government comes into power, such as we see it, and that government doesn't listen to its People?

The water my friends, are the taxes we pay, and the taxes that will continue to rise and continue to be taken away from you from the hard earned fruits of YOUR LABOR.

The vine my friends, is the corrupt federal government we see running amok shredding our Constitution before our very eyes.

Where do you draw the line? Where? When?

Do you raise your hands when you're being shipped off to a re-education facility and say, "Excuse me. I don't want this?"

When you're on trial by a seeded jury of your "peers" to deem how much of an evil monster and "terrorist" you are?

"But its illegal to not pay taxes!"

Where and when will you finally take a stand?

When they make your liberty of simply living a crime?

When the bullets start flying in both directions?

When it becomes a crime to eat WHAT YOU WANT?

When it becomes a crime to be "x" religion?

United We stand, divided We fall.

If one, maybe two, or 100 people stopped paying federal taxes - sure, there's enough room in jail. You'll be there a long time.

When 10,000 people in an entire city stop paying federal taxes, and only state taxes....

THERE'S NO ROOM IN THE INN SIR. NO VACANCY. NO 3 HOTS AND A COT FOR YOU AND 9,999 OF YOUR FRIENDS.

What about 100,000? A million? An entire state?

If these laws and Obama care that have passed and will continue to pass are against our Constitution, and against the natural law of men: To be free and the pursuit of happiness....

WHY WILL YOU EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THEY EXIST? THEY ARE MERELY PAPER AND SUGGESTIONS!

What power do they have over you? Are you scared the "Government" will come send big bad men in black suits to come get you?

Are you scared of loosing your property? Your car? What happens if it just wasn't you, and it was 10,000 of your fellow Americans?

10,000 fellow Americans that cut off the water, and know that the vine will die.

10,000 fellow Americans that know that it is their right and DUTY to fix what is wrong?

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.

No, I do not insight riot, armed revolt, bloodshed, or sheer lawlessness.

I am asking the question of, "What if?"

What if my fellow Constitution loving Americans? What if we all stood shoulder to shoulder and cut off the water from THAT vine?

 

[E5RANGER375]

well a good group of true americans tried to rise up against an oppressive federal government who was unfairly taxing the crap out of them, and oppressing them.

they called them REBELS. they called themselves THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA. all they wanted was their own un-oppressed shot at their own country. they didnt try to take northern lands. and they formed their own country legaly according to the constitution of the nation they wished to succeed from. the civil war wasnt about slavery AT ALL. it was about states rights. when abraham lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation to free the slaves in an attempt to ravage the southern ecconomy and gain support for the war which was unpopular and unwanted by his boss THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, thousands of union soldiers deserted because they didnt wanna die to free slaves. did you know the south almost freed the slaves themselves because they knew the union would try to make it about slavery. The U.S. gavernment has lied to the american people since the civil war to try and make it about slavery to HIDE THE TRUE FACT THAT THE CIVIL WAR WAS OVER STATES RIGHTS!!!

STATES RIGHTS IS THE VERY SAME ISSUE WE FACE TODAY!!! it will take states succeeding from the union to get the federal governments attention, and its already starting believe it or not!!

 

[jontheturboguy]

Interesting. Keep the thoughts coming people.

 

[T-rav]

The Federal Government needs to understand they get their power from the people it's time they learned it and it's time the states grew a spine and said NO!

 

[Bill of Rights]

The problem you are describing here is that one person does not make a revolution.

One person makes a kook. One armed person makes a "crazy gunman".

You ask when, where, why? The answer is, "When you have those 10,000 people standing with you."

This is not the place to organize THAT meeting. This is not GOING to be the place to organize that meeting. No how, no way, until and unless Fenway says differently. Trust me on this one, folks: "Don't hold your breath waiting."

And once again, I find myself paraquoting one of our members' sig line: "When you've taken as much as you can stand, grab your rifle and run outside. If you're the only one, it isn't time."

Lots of wisdom there.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Que]

well a good group of true americans tried to rise up against an oppressive federal government who was unfairly taxing the crap out of them, and oppressing them.

they called them REBELS. they called themselves THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA. all they wanted was their own un-oppressed shot at their own country. they didnt try to take northern lands. and they formed their own country legaly according to the constitution of the nation they wished to succeed from. the civil war wasnt about slavery AT ALL. it was about states rights. when abraham lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation to free the slaves in an attempt to ravage the southern ecconomy and gain support for the war which was unpopular and unwanted by his boss THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, thousands of union soldiers deserted because they didnt wanna die to free slaves. did you know the south almost freed the slaves themselves because they knew the union would try to make it about slavery. The U.S. gavernment has lied to the american people since the civil war to try and make it about slavery to HIDE THE TRUE FACT THAT THE CIVIL WAR WAS OVER STATES RIGHTS!!!

STATES RIGHTS IS THE VERY SAME ISSUE WE FACE TODAY!!! it will take states succeeding from the union to get the federal governments attention, and its already starting believe it or not!!

Un-frakin'-believable! I have finally encountered one person who understands that war and what it was truly about. Can you please set up a class and teach some of my personal Republican friends?! I get so tires of that lie that Lincoln freed the slaves! Besides, emancipation is not freedom, when you are without a choice afterwards.

 

[Que]

That reminds me, I have to get my taxes done.

 

[Archbishop]

The problem you are describing here is that one person does not make a revolution.

One person makes a kook. One armed person makes a "crazy gunman".

You ask when, where, why? The answer is, "When you have those 10,000 people standing with you."

This is not the place to organize THAT meeting. This is not GOING to be the place to organize that meeting. No how, no way, until and unless Fenway says differently. Trust me on this one, folks: "Don't hold your breath waiting."

And once again, I find myself paraquoting one of our members' sig line: "When you've taken as much as you can stand, grab your rifle and run outside. If you're the only one, it isn't time."

Lots of wisdom there.

Blessings,
Bill

He who thinks he is leading a parade and is yet has only himself is simply taking a walk.
Forget who I'm quoting sorry.

 

[theweakerbrother]

This is the perfect thread to pair up with hornadyldl's threads about the comparision between the unfaithful Hebrew wanderer in the desert and the modern leech-entitlement mentality as well as his posts about going Galt.

So not only do you have to ask yourself if others will join you when you decide to stop paying taxes but then you also must ask yourself if your participation in a cause is even worth it? Will you be thanked (not that you should expect that) or slapped in the face by your neighbors for your actions?

Do you want to make you wife a widow and your children fatherless because you refuse to pay taxes?

Your rifles will be confiscated, your names will be dragged through the mud, you will be denied healthcare, food and will be made a leper amongst your community.

If not now, then when?

 

[Tryin']

The problem you are describing here is that one person does not make a revolution.

One person makes a kook. One armed person makes a "crazy gunman".

You ask when, where, why? The answer is, "When you have those 10,000 people standing with you."

This is not the place to organize THAT meeting. This is not GOING to be the place to organize that meeting. No how, no way, until and unless Fenway says differently. Trust me on this one, folks: "Don't hold your breath waiting."

And once again, I find myself paraquoting one of our members' sig line: "When you've taken as much as you can stand, grab your rifle and run outside. If you're the only one, it isn't time."

Lots of wisdom there.

Blessings,
Bill

In this brave new age, you will ALWAYS be the only one there. . . PCness has permeated the society to the point that a citizen-led revolution will never occur. America. Is. Lost. We may delay the inevitable for a season, but the tides of socialism and facism will prevail. I'm sorry, but the end isn't Obamacare, Cap and Trade, Amnesty, Taxation, or Gun control. It is the loss of AMERICAN ideals and ethics.

There are not enough liberty-loving Americans in places that matter. There are some, who make a big splash with their "fightin' words", but the majority do not seek the liberty of yesteryear. The public has been so educated in the "new ideals" that the concept of true freedom rings mutedly.

I shed a tear upon this realization months ago. I have not given up,nor will I; for I will stand resolute for mine and my fellow man's rights, working for good and against evil in the spirit of our forefathers. I hope-, pray that it has not reached the point of no return, but I suspect that was many years ago, as the people realized they could vote themselves benefits.

America may be lost, but Freedom must live on through the hearts, minds, and lives of those who are willing to persevere.

 

[E5RANGER375]

people are lazy in ths country. they dont fight for their marriages (and thats a solemn oath) so why would they fight against getting free food, or medicaid, or education, or a free place to live as long as you work for the government, etc ... see where this is leading too.

until americans quite just talking, and paying lip service to our constitution then american will never change. people need to call their congressman and senators with the same zeal they did when they wanted to carry guns in their cars to work. we are talking about freedom here fellow citizens. put some balls behind your voices

 

[Archaic_Entity]

Un-frakin'-believable! I have finally encountered one person who understands that war and what it was truly about. Can you please set up a class and teach some of my personal Republican friends?! I get so tires of that lie that Lincoln freed the slaves! Besides, emancipation is not freedom, when you are without a choice afterwards.

I'm from North Carolina... trust me, even in the South we're taught the same Federalist BS people learn up here. Many Southerners are ashamed to admit they are Southerners, it seems.

I'll let everyone know, without a pause, that my family has been in NC since before the Revolution. We were plantation owners during the Civil War, and we fought in it for the South. I know what it was about, and what it is about.

It doesn't change what people spout. People are school taught, and so they will regurgitate what they learned in public, government funded schools.

I was blessed with a mind of my own and a will to learn.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

You don't have to pay federal taxes. Simply give up your social security number.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

Also the power of prayer works. It sounds gay and hippie liberal b.s. but it works. If we had 10,000 people praying our government wakes up and reliazes the mistakes they are making it can work.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

well a good group of true americans tried to rise up against an oppressive federal government who was unfairly taxing the crap out of them, and oppressing them.

they called them REBELS. they called themselves THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA. all they wanted was their own un-oppressed shot at their own country. they didnt try to take northern lands. and they formed their own country legaly according to the constitution of the nation they wished to succeed from. the civil war wasnt about slavery AT ALL. it was about states rights. when abraham lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation to free the slaves in an attempt to ravage the southern ecconomy and gain support for the war which was unpopular and unwanted by his boss THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, thousands of union soldiers deserted because they didnt wanna die to free slaves. did you know the south almost freed the slaves themselves because they knew the union would try to make it about slavery. The U.S. gavernment has lied to the american people since the civil war to try and make it about slavery to HIDE THE TRUE FACT THAT THE CIVIL WAR WAS OVER STATES RIGHTS!!!

STATES RIGHTS IS THE VERY SAME ISSUE WE FACE TODAY!!! it will take states succeeding from the union to get the federal governments attention, and its already starting believe it or not!!

The reason Lincoln freed he slaves is because in the north it wasn't economically sound to use slave labor because of the cold seasons, the if we can't have them, nobody can have them mentality.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

Wow. Just wow.

How many of us live by ourselves in a shack out in the woods? Feeling kinda lonely? Kinda down? From the tone of the thread, there's what? Two? Three of us willing to "step outside" (whatever action that implies - tax revolt, running for local .gov positions, etc.) and stand for what we feel is right?

Ingo has over 8,000 members so far. That means to me that over 8,000 citizens of Indiana are vocal enough to search out on the whole interwebz of the planet a place to come together with like-minded individuals. I know of many more people that feel just as I do, or nearly so, but yet aren't on INGO because they "don't do computer stuff". When it is time to take a stand, I feel that I can count on those people around me to stand with me. So, now we are talking over 10,000 people in the State of Indiana.

Then lets take Veterans. Even the 80-year old vets from WWII vintage. You don't think that the majority of vets will stand and be counted? Go to an American Legion and listen to the vets talk. Go to a VFW and listen to the vets talk. When it comes time to stand up and take an action, see what the vets do.

How many baby boomers have awakened in the last year? Threaten their IRAs, threaten their healthcare, threaten their vacation to Florida every year and what do you have? The TEAPARTYers. The majority of the vocal people I saw in videos of the town halls this past summer looked to be over the age of 50 (at least!) and THEY WERE MAD!

Now, lets talk about the young generation. There aren't many, but there are a few, children my son's age (13) that question their teachers at school about what actions the .gov is currently taking. "How can they do that?" "We don't have much money. How can they take more money from my Mom and Dad?" There aren't many in my son's class that question, but there are a few! Don't forget them!

If I listen to the BS that the .gov is passing out on the airwaves of the nation then I would have to believe that I am the only one that is willing to decide what my ethics and values are. I am the only one that looks at the .gov to sift the BS from the truth. I am the only one that is willing to make a stand (wherever my line is) and say, "I won't cross this line. You, the .gov, won't cross this line."

I just don't buy it. They're lying. I feel it in my gut. I hear my conscience whispering it to me. I see it in flashes here on INGO. I hear bits and pieces when I stop to buy coffee. I overhear it from other tables when I eat dinner. I hear it from my son when he watches the news with me and says, "Dad, that's not right. They shouldn't be allowed to do that. They can't do that, it's illegal. That's not in the Constitution."

I. Just. Don't. Believe. It.

Remember this: If you step outside and you're the only one, wait a minute. If someone joins you, you have just doubled your numbers.

You are not alone.

I am not alone.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

Now, lets talk about the young generation. There aren't many, but there are a few, children my son's age (13) that question their teachers at school about what actions the .gov is currently taking. "How can they do that?" "We don't have much money. How can they take more money from my Mom and Dad?" There aren't many in my son's class that question, but there are a few! Don't forget them!
.

I was suspended from school for 1 week for arguing with a teacher.

My history teacher told me the second amendment was to protect the government from it's people and that the government would never take away hunting rights. end of story

I argued and argued that that is not what it was about and it was about preventing socialism and another holocaust from happening.

My family was so proud of me for standing up against my teacher.

 

[Que]

The reason Lincoln freed he slaves is because in the north it wasn't economically sound to use slave labor because of the cold seasons, the if we can't have them, nobody can have them mentality.

I have never heard this. Can you please direct me to more information or is this your opinion?

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

I have never heard this. Can you please direct me to more information or is this your opinion?

just one of the few theories of the topic and the one i buy into.

I won't argue that the civil wasn't about states rights, but think about it, it makes sense to me.

The south could use slave labor almost year round

The north could use slave labor april til september/october.

you make slavery illegal you can destroy the economy of the south.

 

[Que]

just one of the few theories of the topic and the one i buy into.

I won't argue that the civil wasn't about states rights, but think about it, it makes sense to me.

The south could use slave labor almost year round

The north could use slave labor april til september/october.

you make slavery illegal you can destroy the economy of the south.

I do agree with the last portion of your theory. However, slaves were a commodity, which were traded between those living in the south as well as the north. People in the north owned slaves just like in the south; however, when cotton was becoming "king", many of the slaves in the north were sold off to southerners at exorbitant prices, easily afforded by the now wealthy southern plantation owners. This is definitely not to say that a great majority of slaves were nor already located in the south.

Lincoln did emancipate (not freed) the slaves in order to stifle southern strength and avoid possible interference by the French; which was later found to be a non-factor.