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  • HoughMade

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    No, actually the liberal politicians and the liberal media is saying it is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" but the medical community actually issued a warning to those voices. There are plenty of media voices that are telling the truth and showing that in some regions with high vaccination rates the case load is made up of vaccinated.

    However, all that bias noted, the hospitalizations tend to be mostly the unvaccinated by a large majority.

    Omicron may change things up even more. It is barely here in the USA now, we still have a vast majority of Delta. Omicron will likely become a wave in January.
    In areas with high vaccination rates....of course the case load is vaccinated people. They are virtually the only ones there.

    Theoretically, with a population of 1,000 people and 90% vaccination, the infection rate of unvaccinated (100 total) could be 50%, and there would only be 50 infected. However, of the 900 vaccinated, the infection rate could be 6% and there would be 54 people infected...more than the unvaccinated.

    At a 70% vaccination rate, if the infection rate of the 300 unvaccinated were 20%, 60 people would be infected. However, of the 700 vaccinated, if the infection rate were 9%, then there would still be more vaccinated people who got it than unvaccinated. This would have a tendency to show the vaccination was effective in some measure because the infection rate was much lower even though the total number of people was higher.

    Therefore, saying that more vaccinated people are infected than unvaccinated doesn't tell us anything about the effectiveness of vaccination without knowing the vaccination rates, at least...and to be really accurate, a lot more demographic information about those who were infected. I don't know what the real numbers are and don't make any conclusions, but I am simply pointing out that "more people who are vaccinated got it" doesn't tell us anything in and of itself.

    As more information rolls in, we will learn more.

    Of course, the tougher thing to calculate is severity of an infection across people with the same health at baseline, vaccinated versus not.
     

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    In areas with high vaccination rates....of course the case load is vaccinated people. They are virtually the only ones there.

    Theoretically, with a population of 1,000 people and 90% vaccination, the infection rate of unvaccinated (100 total) could be 50%, and there would only be 50 infected. However, of the 900 vaccinated, the infection rate could be 6% and there would be 54 people infected...more than the unvaccinated.

    At a 70% vaccination rate, if the infection rate of the 300 unvaccinated were 20%, 60 people would be infected. However, of the 700 vaccinated, if the infection rate were 9%, then there would still be more vaccinated people who got it than unvaccinated. This would have a tendency to show the vaccination was effective in some measure because the infection rate was much lower even though the total number of people was higher.

    Therefore, saying that more vaccinated people are infected than unvaccinated doesn't tell us anything about the effectiveness of vaccination without knowing the vaccination rates, at least...and to be really accurate, a lot more demographic information about those who were infected. I don't know what the real numbers are and don't make any conclusions, but I am simply pointing out that "more people who are vaccinated got it" doesn't tell us anything in and of itself.

    As more information rolls in, we will learn more.

    Of course, the tougher thing to calculate is severity of an infection across people with the same health at baseline, vaccinated versus not.

    You're really crunching some numbers today counselor! :) (saw your post in the truck thread).

    Totally off topic, was just reading about the law office getting burned up in Hammond. Then read about one of the partners of that firm having been murdered earlier in the year. Anywhere near your office?

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    You're really crunching some numbers today counselor! :) (saw your post in the truck thread).

    Totally off topic, was just reading about the law office getting burned up in Hammond. Then read about one of the partners of that firm having been murdered earlier in the year. Anywhere near your office?

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    It was around the corner from our former office downtown. Now we are out on Kennedy and 80/94. Bill Enslen was well known and respected in the Region legal community. I knew him and had a case or 2 with him, but did not know him well. Horrible thing.
     

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    FNC’s Dr. Makary: Omicron Variant Is ‘Omi-Cold’ and We Have ‘Pandemic of Lunacy​

    “We’ve got to reduce testing in low-risk situations. If you test everyone in the United States, you will find a virus particle in the nose of some fraction of Americans forever. Now, you can continue to do universal testing, like a lot of universities, and continue to sample people and bring them in and if they test positive, put them in jail for ten or fourteen days. But if you do that with meningococcus, which is a bacteria that causes meningitis, you will find it living in the nose of 10% of the U.S. population. And so we can’t go hunting for a problem that is a very mild or asymptomatic illness.”
     

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    ‘Omicron Is Here’ — Joe Biden Warns ‘Winter of Severe Illness and Death’ for Unvaccinated Americans​


    Of course, when that doesn't pan out, at all the way they say it will, they'll just shrug it off and change the topic to something else. My prediction is that Omicron is going to be another nothingburger for most people, as has the entire plandemic. Yes, some people will get sick and yes, some people will die, but nowhere near the numbers they would like. Just more fear porn served up to the :sheep:
     

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    South Africa was admitting 19% of cases when Delta hit. They are admitting 2% with omicron.

    Omicron has 30 mutations to spike protein. The only protein vaccine provides protection against, and also the monoclonal antibodies.
     

    buckwacker

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    Hmmmmmmm.....

     

    Jaybird1980

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    South Africa was admitting 19% of cases when Delta hit. They are admitting 2% with omicron.

    Omicron has 30 mutations to spike protein. The only protein vaccine provides protection against, and also the monoclonal antibodies.
    Not sure what this means.

    I'm not taking a "protein shot", but I may be willing to give the wife one. I mean it's to save her life she can't argue with that right...
     

    hoosierdoc

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    Not sure what this means.

    I'm not taking a "protein shot", but I may be willing to give the wife one. I mean it's to save her life she can't argue with that right...
    Antibodies are created against certain protein antigens. The antibody binds to the protein when it sees it. mRNA vaccine only makes antibodies against the spike protein.

    Omicron has 30 mutations on spike. Concern is these can stop antibody from binding to it. Natural immunity creates antibodies against 20+ diff proteins
     

    buckwacker

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    Antibodies are created against certain protein antigens. The antibody binds to the protein when it sees it. mRNA vaccine only makes antibodies against the spike protein.

    Omicron has 30 mutations on spike. Concern is these can stop antibody from binding to it. Natural immunity creates antibodies against 20+ diff proteins
    So naturally acquired immunity is superior?
     

    HoughMade

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    South Africa was admitting 19% of cases when Delta hit. They are admitting 2% with omicron.

    Omicron has 30 mutations to spike protein. The only protein vaccine provides protection against, and also the monoclonal antibodies.
    What is this "protein vaccine" you are referring to?
     

    BugI02

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    that just tells me I need to retire ASAP.

    Then, instead of barely seeing anyone, I'll upgrade to not seeing anyone.
    But what if breathing superheated industrial air is what is keeping you illness-free?

    Retiring could be the death of you, just as not retiring might be

    Decisions, decisions
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