Can you tell me what these are?

[74Ba-humbug]

I got a few guns from my father that were his fathers and I was wondering if you could tell me what they are as I'm not real sure!

Pictures are in my album as i'm not real sure how to upload on to the site yet!

Thanks in advance!

 

[74Ba-humbug]

Stupid me -- One of them is a MLE M16. Still unsure about the other!

 

[ChalupaCabras]

In order for us to make a positive identification we need to see better, multiple pictures of each rifle (I cant even tell if the two pictures in your album are two rifles or the same one).

It would also help if you could tell us what markings are stamped on the receivers and or barrels.

 

[swissrifles1]

One on the left looks like a French 8mm Berthier Carbine or the Turkish forestry carbine. Need better picts of the other one.