Buying rifle out of state

[LPPOsecurity]

I'm looking into buying a rifle from a friend who lives in Michigan, we went to an ffl and were told it wasn't necessary to transfer a rifle thru ffl but thought I'd do an ask around first

 

[indyjoe]

It isn't strictly necessary if you are OK with doing time in Federal Prison.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

Federal law states that the transfer of any firearm between residents of different states MUST go through an FFL.

For a long-gun, the FFL can be in either the buyer or seller's home state...IF the states share a common border.

For a hand-gun, the FFL must be in the buyer's state.

For a long-gun in which the states do NOT border, the transfer must occur in the buyer's state.

-J-

 

[downzero]

For a long-gun in which the states do NOT border, the transfer must occur in the buyer's state.

Are you sure? I know Illinois state law says that, but my understanding of federal law is that one can buy a long gun from an FFL in any state.

 

[shooter521]

Are you sure? I know Illinois state law says that, but my understanding of federal law is that one can buy a long gun from an FFL in any state.

Neither Indy_Guy_77 nor the OP were talking about buying a gun from an FFL, but rather from a private individual.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

Are you sure? I know Illinois state law says that, but my understanding of federal law is that one can buy a long gun from an FFL in any state.

Your understanding is correct, but not germane.

-J-

 

[GARANDGUY]

if it is shipped it has to go thru FFL. If you go there or he comes here and you do a ftf it doesnt.

 

[LPPOsecurity]

It would be a ftf what says everybody on that comment

 

[shooter521]

if it is shipped it has to go thru FFL. If you go there or he comes here and you do a ftf it doesnt.

If you are selling to a resident of another state (even if he's not currently IN that state), the transaction MUST go through an FFL (in either state).

ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons

 

[car06281]

FFL required

I agree with shooter521.

 

[ATM]

I agree with shooter521.

Quoted because I just couldn't bring myself to actually type those words.

 

[indykid]

ATF changed that not too long ago. Like everything else they do, one day something is legal, the next (or even later that day) it is not legal.

Today all transactions to out of state individuals must go thru an FFL. A few year ago that wasn't the case. In fact the last rifle I bought out of state before the law changed was from a uniformed civilian!

 

[downzero]

ATF changed that not too long ago. Like everything else they do, one day something is legal, the next (or even later that day) it is not legal.

Today all transactions to out of state individuals must go thru an FFL. A few year ago that wasn't the case. In fact the last rifle I bought out of state before the law changed was from a uniformed civilian!

The ATF doesn't have the power to change that. The Gun Control Act in 1968 made it illegal to engage in interstate commerce of firearms. It's nothing new and it certainly didn't come from an executive office. It came from Congress.

Your understanding is correct, but not germane.

-J-

Uh, try again. I believe he can get the transfer done in any state he so chooses with an FFL.

 

[LPPOsecurity]

Sounds good, I'll just go thru an FFL

 

[usmcdjb]

For those that want the letter of the (Federal) law, here are a few excerpts. The neat thing is, both parties would be breaking the law.

From the Gun Control Act of 1968 - Title 18, United States Code, Chapter 44

§ 922 Unlawful acts.​

(a) It shall be unlawful—

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(3)​

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for any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer,
licensed dealer, or licensed
collector to transport into or receive in
the State where he resides (or if the
person is a corporation or other business
entity, the State where it maintains
a place of business) any firearm purchased
or otherwise obtained by such
person outside that State, except that
this paragraph (A) shall not preclude
any person who lawfully acquires a
firearm by bequest or intestate succession
in a State other than his State of
residence from transporting the firearm
into or receiving it in that State, if it is
lawful for such person to purchase or
possess such firearm in that State, (B)
shall not apply to the transportation or
receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity
with subsection (b)(3) of this section,
and (C) shall not apply to the
transportation of any firearm acquired in
any State prior to the effective date of​

this chapter;

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5)​

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for any person (other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer,
licensed dealer, or licensed​

collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give,
transport, or deliver any firearm to any
person (other than a licensed importer,
licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer,
or licensed collector) who the transferor
knows or has reasonable cause to believe
does not reside in (or if the person
is a corporation or other business entity,
does not maintain a place of business
in) the State in which the
transferor resides; except that this
paragraph shall not apply to (A) the
transfer, transportation, or delivery of a
firearm made to carry out a bequest of
a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate
succession of a firearm by, a person
who is permitted to acquire or
possess a firearm under the laws of the
State of his residence, and (B) the loan
or rental of a firearm to any person for​

temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

 

[darkwang]

I live in Michigan and have bought lots of long rifles in Indiana and drove them home. These have all been from large gun stores and chains.

 

[CountryBoy19]

I live in Michigan and have bought lots of long rifles in Indiana and drove them home. These have all been from large gun stores and chains.

Are you telling us that it's legal to buy a rifle from an FFL in another state? That's quite obvious had you read the thread.

We're talking about FTF private sales in another state. The rifle must be transferred through an FFL in order to do so legally. Meaning the buyer and seller meet each other at an FFL, do the paperwork, buyer goes home with rifle, seller goes home with cash, end of story.