i just installed one of these for a customer and let me tell you its a PAIN IN THE you know what.... and the SOB is heavy.... i prefer my 5.56 SDM rifle i trained w/ in school at benning... i had no problems making hits at 600 w/ 62 grain ammo out of the accurazed A4 w/ an acog..... personally i think the army should be adopting a round similar to the 6.5 grendel and that would take back the "infantry half kilo" w/out having to have multiple types of ammo w/in a squad.... the expense wouldnt be to bad since existing designs could be converted w/out much problem.
i could get behind that. i managed to hump it on patrol after patrol and eventually you get used to it. no sling too. but it looks cool as ****. and that appeals to me.
and will still be able to make positive hits to 600 yards w/ ease.
I don't think 600 yds and with ease belong in the same sentence. Unless you're David Tubb, of course.
I'm not trying to flame, but even on a Highpower range making accurate shots at 600 is tall feat. And, that's when everything is perfect. You've measured the wind, you're in a comfortable position, you know the Wx conditions, angle to target, elevation, etc. Making that same hit after humping a 80 lb ruck in an area that is challenging for billy goats, when you're flush with adrenalin and a 120 bpm heart rate? You're better off trying to make a 50 ft putt on a carrier deck in a hurricane.
HA, thats almost a funny post.... we are not talking high power competition.... we are talking TORSO hits... 20x20 inch kill zone, thats over 3 moa.... and w/ a designated marksman we are not talking snipers one shot one kill... we are talking being able to keep the enemy from taking pop shots at you from a "safe" distance.... even an untrained person could drop behind a rifle and fire off 20 shots or so and start getting hits at 600 yards if the reqirement was only 3 moa.... plus the acog would take MOST range estimation out of it as its built in.... and if you see your shooting low then just use the next line down or somewhere in between..... i was making torso hits in designated marksman school 99 percent of the time at 600.... the once i missed were only because of poor wind calling and missed by several inches.... but combat accuracy and highpower shooting should not be used in the same sentence unless you are talking about a sniper, which in this case we are not.
Well, you almost understood me. So, let's call it even.
My statement comes from my experience of otherwise capable carbine operators who struggle to hit 6 MOA targets at 100 yds on demand and on the clock.
I didn't say, nor would I suggest, that field combat is like Highpower. What I did said is that under ideal conditions, such as Highpower, hits at 600, with a 20" carbine, are not easy.
Not even considering the wind, you're talking about over 14 minutes of drop (over 90") at 600 and nearly a full second of bullet flight time. A lot can, and does, go wrong. I'm saying it's not easy - that's all.
14 minutes of drop to 600 with a 6.5 grendel??? i think you need to rethink your ballistic calculators choice.....
My statement comes from my experience of otherwise capable carbine operators who struggle to hit 6 MOA targets at 100 yds on demand and on the clock.
I didn't say, nor would I suggest, that field combat is like Highpower. What I did said is that under ideal conditions, such as Highpower, hits at 600, with a 20" carbine, are not easy.
al queda thinks its cool as **** as well... thats why whoever carried it was a higher value target... no thanks.... give me a 16 inch ar w/ heavy barrel out until it leaves the handguard free floated and match grade of course, then drops down to a standard .750 contour. so it doesnt stand out.... put an acog on it calibrated for 6.5 grendel and ill be the same threat as the guy w/ the sage stocked m1a, but will look like any other soldier, and have the SAME capabilities in mout.... my kit wont be any heavier minus ammo and a little bit of more for the heavy barrel hidden under the FF handguards, and even a trained eye wouldnt be able to tell a differance until i started firing. and will still be able to make positive hits to 600 yards w/ ease.
that would be nice, but such a weapon was not available to me. besides, i think im still the number two target behind the guy w/ the manpack and the 15 ft antenna sticking off his back. by the time he gets shot, im already hidden.