BEST HOME DEFENSE ROUND EVER???

[YoungMilsurpGuy]

Is it just me, or does those talon things breaking off the bullet seem like they are going to cause nasty flesh wounds, but not hit anything vital, especially if you hit ribs or sternum? And the penatrator that is going on afterwards has less weight and energy that transfers?

I dont know, I would just rather stick to .357 semi wadcutters for self defense, or 8m3 hollowpoints in my ak for HD

 

[OccasionalSh00ter]

I am a little surprised at the direction this thread has gone. Lots of comments about the merits of the design, but no critical analysis of the claimed performance. Their website specifies a 96 grain bullet fired at 1265 fps. They claim this delivers 490 ft lbs of energy. When I plug those numbers into a ballistic calculator I find that weight/speed combination only produces 341 ft lbs of energy. If these people are embellishing the energy production, what else are they embellishing? This is a marketing gimmick and does not deserve any further consideration.

 

[whitetailbowhunter]

These rounds look intense,but like other, I have a feeling they may cause FTF's more often than others..

 

[68_F100]

I'll stick with my 45 HST. It's proven to be effective. That stuff looks like something from a video game. Not that I don't love my video games.

 

[xM3RC1L3SS1x]

Its definitely sweet looking, but I would imagine It'd have some feed issues.

 

[cosermann]

Meh. I've seen nothing but hype and advertising claims.

Frankly, I'm doubtful of it's ability to penetrate once it's broken into a bunch of little pieces. If the mass and sectional density isn't there, then . . .

Stay tuned, I guess.

 

[whitetailbowhunter]

G2 R.I.P Ammunition ? Gimmick or Godsend? | The Bang Switch

this article brings up some very interesting points

 

[Tombs]

One thing almost nobody is seeming to realize, there's little to no energy transfer going on with that round. That means it will have no "punch" on the target. Literally about like stabbing someone with a pocket knife a few times. Do you really think that's going to stop someone?

Last time I checked, a firm punch to the gut ended more actions than a few cuts.

While I do not doubt the round would present a higher level of lethality than conventional ammunition, having them die after they've already murdered you isn't really helping you much.

There's just no real noticeable energy transfer going on with the round. Only fragmenting handgun ammo I've seen that appeared to still deliver energy into the target was the lehigh controlled fracturing stuff, specifically the 105gr +P 9mm.

I won't be switching away from my 147gr HSTs any time soon, after all they're the primary reason I've switched to the 9mm.

 

[richardraw316]

I just like the fact if you don't have a gun you can still stab someone with the bullet.

 

[Maximinus Thrax]

The video was intriguing, the voice over was awful. I'll stick with traditional hollow points thanks...

I haven't done the math on it but I question issues of penetration. Those petals don't go very far or have a lot of mass and whatever is left after they break away is just making a small hole much like a FMJ. I fear dangers of over penetration even with that small of a projectile going as slow as it will be going.

If they make a shotgun slug for it I doubt they'll be allowed to market it if it does the same thing as the 9mm round. A slug would be VERY messy.

 

[HoughMade]

My opinion- If you would not shoot a 50 gr solid wadcutter for self-defense, don't shoot these. Looks like the "trocars" will cause supercifial, not incapacitation wounds if shot center mass- the only true stopper? The 50gr core is the only part that penetrates deep enough to reach vitals reliably.

Anyhoo, I'd like to see some independent tests....but it's too gimicky for me.

 

[Bigtanker]

I'm going to load these and alternate with the 3 piece bullet held together by strings. The ultimate SD set up!

 

[HoughMade]

I'm going to load these and alternate with the 3 piece bullet held together by strings. The ultimate SD set up!

Put some Glaser Safety Slugs, Guard Dogs and USM4s in the mix and you'd really have something.

 

[Bigtanker]

Put some Glaser Safety Slugs, Guard Dogs and USM4s in the mix and you'd really have something.

Forgot about the Glasers.

 

[Tombs]

I'm going to load these and alternate with the 3 piece bullet held together by strings. The ultimate SD set up!

Get some velet exploder ammo to go along with it.

Maybe some EXTREME SHOCK.

 

[hrearden]

I've never seen real ballistic gelatin that was clear and there was a significant difference between the clear gel and the yellowish gel which was probably much closer to the real thing. I'm having a difficult time believing it'll be much of an improvement at such a light weight. What'd they say it weighed, 90 something grains? Figure it dumps close to half of that when those shards break off and your left with less weight in the slug than a 5.56 round which offers precious little without high velocity.

I'm thinking it offers more by way of looks than performance but I'm not an expert, perhaps they've unlocked something special. I'd be interested to see how it performs through body armor, may have some potential in that area.

+1 on all of this. I also would like to add that the effectiveness will go down exponentially as the range increases. I think Id still rather have cast lead outta my nine. However, I can see these working well out or a pocket nine at mugging distances.

 

[wesnellans]

My thoughts exactly. I see "cop killers" again like the Black Talon was (wrongfully) hyped. Pick a good HP round and practice. Shot placement is key.

Indeed. Stick with known effective rounds and leave the gimmicks to the mall ninjas.

And they'll load them up in their special zombie guns. Feh.

 

[pudly]

ShootingTheBull410 got some of this G2 RIP ammo and did his usual excellent ballistic testing. I won't spoil the result:

G2 Research’s RIP Ammo – Ballistic Testing, Phase One

 

[chezuki]

ShootingTheBull410 got some of this G2 RIP ammo and did his usual excellent ballistic testing. I won't spoil the result:

G2 Research’s RIP Ammo – Ballistic Testing, Phase One

/hype

Tastelessly named, over hyped, proven poor performance, and a potential civil court nightmare... unfortunately, this stuff will still sell like crazy.

 

[lucky4034]

I want to know at what distance the shards separate and how it affects felt impact?