Armed Military in the Subways?

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  • Pami

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    I took a Facebook quiz today that theoretically answered the question "Where should you be living?" My answer was Paris because I "want to have [my] art appreciated and [I am] drawn to the beautiful city." Ok, I'll buy that.

    However, I've been to Paris twice, and after the second time, my mom told me I shouldn't go back because both times I told her how dirty the city was and how much I really hated it. (Get out of the city, and it's *gorgeous*. And don't get me started on the chocolate croissants and the fact that there's a GOOD bakery on every corner.)

    So long story longer....

    The second time I went (January 1997), Paris was having a LOT of trouble with people putting bombs in the public mail drop boxes and trash cans (which is actually why the city was so dirty -- they were locking the public trash cans so people couldn't put things in them). So, as a response to this "terrorism," their version of the National Guard was keeping watch in the subways (maybe other places, too, but that's the only place I remember noticing them). On one of our many trips through the trains, a news crew was there and stopped us to get our reaction as American students and seeing these guards armed with EBRs so close to us.

    Not that it makes much difference, but the group I was with was a group of 8 college students and our professor -- 7 young women, 1 young man, and Rahim (our professor). As a group, we unanimously decided that we actually felt safer with them there because they were there to protect us. Why should we fear seeing the military in the subways? I think the answer surprised the news crew, like they weren't sure we understood the question.

    It was a brief moment on an otherwise amazing trip, so my memory might be a little fuzzy on the details, but you get the gist of it.



    12 years later and slightly more educated about guns and the military and the police and all their various roles in American society... I think I'd still feel the same way, given the situation, although I'd be much more conscious of where those guns were casually pointed and what the guards were doing. I'll have to look up the details of what was actually happening then.

    Anyway, I was just curious what the reaction would have been here. In Indy we don't have trains like they do in Paris, but we do have a pretty extensive bus system. What if we were having people put bombs in the mail drops, enough that as a response a larger .. law enforcement .. presence was required. Would that be a job for local LEOs? A reason to call in the National Guard? How would you feel as an average citizen to have to ride a bus with a "guard" openly carrying his or her duty rifle?
     

    Rattlesnake46319

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    Anyway, I was just curious what the reaction would have been here. In Indy we don't have trains like they do in Paris, but we do have a pretty extensive bus system. What if we were having people put bombs in the mail drops, enough that as a response a larger .. law enforcement .. presence was required. Would that be a job for local LEOs? A reason to call in the National Guard? How would you feel as an average citizen to have to ride a bus with a "guard" openly carrying his or her duty rifle?

    Wow, you really got me thinking on this one, Pami. My initial reaction was, "ask the Israelis how they like it". But much of the populace there is armed as well. Then I started thinking, "wouldn't trip me out much", but that has caveats as well. If you had asked me four years ago, nope, not bothered in the slightest. With the current political makeup, I'd be extremely bothered. Not in Indiana as much, where I'm allowed to carry. But here in Maryland where I don't have the right to defend myself, despite what the state gov't says, I'd be very uncomfortable. Firearm owners are looked at strangely here. I suppose it's the same in Illinois. I guess it boils down to "an armed society is a polite society". If the majority has firearms on them, I'm not concerned at all about "guards" openly displaying duty weapons. However, if the majority of the population is armed, the "guards" are far less necessary. Maybe we should try it. I'm guessing the crime rate would drop if Granny's on the bus next to me OCing her S&W Model 29 and telling the guard "Sonny, you really should ditch that 3 point sling".
     

    indytechnerd

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    My wife was in Paris in '89 I think, part of an orchestra of college kids that was traveling Europe. They were escorted everywhere by armed security because of all the bad **** that was happening there. They weren't allowed to leave the hotel unless it was to/from rehearsal or a performance.
     

    jeremy

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    20 years later and it is still just as bad in Paris...

    So what have they got for all the Armed Professional Security? A whole lot of lost freedom is what they have in Paris.
     

    Colt556

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    When I went to visit my nephew stationed in Germany in 1989 we had a layover in Paris. My brother and I had over 5 hours to wait so I got the bright idea to grab a cab and go see the Eiffel Tower! WRONG!!! The cops armed with machine pistols said "NO". If you had a through ticket and Paris was not your destination you couldn't leave your gate area let alone the airport! Oh btw, EVERY Frenchman we met lived up to their poor reputation. But the Police we saw in every European country was armed with machine pistols and puny 7.65 pistols in huge flap holsters. The Swiss boarder guards had some sweet Sig assault rifles though!
    After the 9/11 tragedy I was flying back and forth to Ft Lauderdale about once a month and the NG troops at the airports made me a little nervous. The IN NG were not to bad but the FL NG troops looked as if they were ready for war!!!
     

    cce1302

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    HMM....I just got that quiz as well. I blocked the application, like I do everything (except Mafia Wars-anybody wanna join my mafia?) that comes across my facebook.

    As to armed military in the subways, yes, when I go to Subway, there is armed military in the Subway, just like when I'm at McDonald's, there is armed military at McDonald's.

    It's pretty safe to say when I am @ _________, there is armed military @ _________.

    I don't think I'd like to see military on duty armed everywhere though.
     
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