Are you still mad at the Dixie Chicks?

[CarmelHP]

Did Obama win a lot of support with the "right wing" for starting another war? Are we supposed to not use our 1st amendment to criticize his statist agenda either?

You can use "our 1st amendment" to blather on about whatever, and others can use "our 1st amendment" to call you a damn fool and not buy any records you're trying to sell. See how freedom works, ain't it grand?

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

All I can say is that I sure grew to like SheDaisy.

 

[gunsisgood]

John Lennon screwed himself when he stated that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ. Pride always comes before the fall.

Lead poisening,
shot 7 times, dead shortly after his STUPID comment.

 

[rambone]

They hate America and all that is right and good. Commie pinko biotchs ought to put on the berka and go live their dreams.

Hmm. Sounded more to me like they hate foreign wars and a president who started them. But like I said, I don't read the tabloids. They very well could hate America and all that is right and good. I'd have to hear their opinions about U.S. Immigration policy to better assess that one.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Lead poisening,
shot 7 times, dead shortly after his STUPID comment.

20 something years is short to you? how old are you?

I like John Lennon. he didnt bow to tyranny or oppression.

(language warning)

YouTube - Working Class Hero - John Lennon

 

[gunsisgood]

20 something years is short to you? how old are you?

I am OLD, 20yrs to me is pretty long, to God its what maybe 2-3 seconds.

p.s. Thanks for the vid, never a fan but my brother will love it.

 

[Phil502]

Lennon became a commie, "Imagine no religion", friends with the Black Panthers theres other stuff he did too. I dismiss him the same as I do the Chicks. The Chicks can say whatever they like but they are trying to sell me a cd, not the other way around.

 

[rambone]

Lennon became a commie, "Imagine no religion", friends with the Black Panthers theres other stuff he did too. I dismiss him the same as I do the Chicks. The Chicks can say whatever they like but they are trying to sell me a cd, not the other way around.

I wrote a thread one time about John Lennon's communist anthem "Imagine" and I made a lot of people angry that I criticized him. Hard to believe, right?

He says "imagine no possessions" and I imagine the government confiscating my private property. That's a lot more worthy of getting offended over than the Dixie Chicks.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Lennon became a commie, "Imagine no religion", friends with the Black Panthers theres other stuff he did too. I dismiss him the same as I do the Chicks. The Chicks can say whatever they like but they are trying to sell me a cd, not the other way around.

maybe he was just trying to listen to all sides so he could make a rational and informed decision. as far as your no religion comment, well, I cant comment on that here due to the rules, but if you would like to discuss it PM me.

 

[CarmelHP]

He says "imagine no possessions" and I imagine the government confiscating my private property. That's a lot more worthy of getting offended over than the Dixie Chicks.

People can get offended by whatever they please. Why are you trying to stamp out this exercise of personal sovereignty?

 

[rambone]

People can get offended by whatever they please. Why are you trying to stamp out this exercise of personal sovereignty?

I'm stamping on what? Lennon made many statements about subverting capitalism and favoring communism. He was quite open about it. I made the point that his statements carry far more weight than the Dixie Chicks not liking our involvement Gulf War II.

 

[iChokePeople]

If they had joined protests walking on the White House lawn to demonstrate their position about the war or Bush, I personally would not have been offended. Doing it overseas in war time in the way they chose was over the line, for me. Out in the world, they should have stuck to something like, "We support our troops", or even something like, "While we do not support the war or agree with those who chose to participate, we support our troops." And, as someone mentioned, never forget who brought you to the dance. Country music fans are much less likely to continue to support a group who does something like that than are the fans of some other genres of music. One famous musician gave what I personally thought was the perfect answer when asked a pointed political question, something along the lines of, "I'm a singer. Why would you care what I think about politics?"

Think about it. All of us have, at some point in your life, known someone who was a 'musician' (not a cellist, but someone who intended to be a rock or country star) or an 'actor' or the like. Every damn one of them was a flake, a drunk, a freak, etc. There wasn't a single one of them you'd ask for advice unless you just wanted a laugh. Why, then, is it that when they become famous we suddenly care about what they think or what they wear or who they're dating? I've just never gotten that.

Ok, someone else's soapbox, sorry if I started to go off on a rant there.

 

[CarmelHP]

I'm stamping on what? Lennon made many statements about subverting capitalism and favoring communism. He was quite open about it. I made the point that his statements carry far more weight than the Dixie Chicks not liking our involvement Gulf War II.

My point to you is that people can not like John Lennon AND the Dixie Chicks or like/not like any combination of the two, and they are free to do so without implicating the 1st Amendment.

 

[dross]

I'm stamping on what? Lennon made many statements about subverting capitalism and favoring communism. He was quite open about it. I made the point that his statements carry far more weight than the Dixie Chicks not liking our involvement Gulf War II.

Looking at the totality of your posts, I can't really figure out your overall message. Or have you reached the point where you're just poking?

John Lennon's socialist song has long been annoying, and I've seen it deconstructed many times. I'd boycott his concerts over it, but he doesn't have them very often anymore, being dead and all.

People got mad at the Dixie Chicks, so they boycotted them, and apparently hurt them quite a bit in the pocketbook, and certainly it hurt their standing in the country western world, and it appeared to hurt their feelings. I'd say, "mission accomplished" to that.

What exactly is it about freedom in action effectively that has you irritated?

Also, there's no hypocrisy in boycotting someone who says something controversial you disagree with, but not boycotting someone who says something controversial that you do agree with.

Maybe you feel a little embattled here, but relax. You don't have to fight a battle on every thread.

 

[Fletch]

I was never mad at the Dixie Chicks. It doesn't really occur to me to be mad at famous people for the stuff they say, whether I agree with it or not. I only get upset when folks in government start listening to famous people as though their opinion means more than mine simply because they're famous.

 

[snowman46919]

I was never mad at the Dixie Chicks. It doesn't really occur to me to be mad at famous people for the stuff they say, whether I agree with it or not. I only get upset when folks in government start listening to famous people as though their opinion means more than mine simply because they're more financially inclined.

ftfy

 

[dross]

I was never mad at the Dixie Chicks. It doesn't really occur to me to be mad at famous people for the stuff they say, whether I agree with it or not. I only get upset when folks in government start listening to famous people as though their opinion means more than mine simply because they're famous.

How do you remain so unaffected? Every night I watch Entertainment Tonight, and every week I wait breathlessly for my People magazine subscription. How else would I know what to be happy or sad about?

 

[rambone]

What exactly is it about freedom in action effectively that has you irritated?

I have no problem with any boycotts, rants, or critiques.

I am on a Fed-Up-With-War kick this week in honor of our new Libyan military campaign. I'm trying to figure out what is so wrong with a person criticizing wars that never needed to happen. Geographical location of the comments, notwithstanding.

I'm not concerned about any boycott, but the philosophy behind the whole argument. Like saying war critics "hate all that is good and right in the world." How can the U.S. Government spending $8,000,000+ per hour on foreign wars, for ten years, jive with any fiscal conservative? Some day a real threat is going to come along and we are going to be dead broke.

 

[dross]

I have no problem with any boycotts, rants, or critiques.

I am on a Fed-Up-With-War kick this week in honor of our new Libyan military campaign. I'm trying to figure out what is so wrong with a person criticizing wars that never needed to happen. Geographical location of the comments, notwithstanding.

I'm not concerned about any boycott, but the philosophy behind the whole argument. Like saying war critics "hate all that is good and right in the world." How can the U.S. Government spending $8,000,000+ per hour on foreign wars, for ten years, jive with any fiscal conservative? Some day a real threat is going to come along and we are going to be dead broke.

Pick a war, start a thread, I'll meet you there and we'll go toe to toe. For the record, I was for Iraq and Afghanistan, I think we should get out of Afghanistan now, and I'm ambivalent about Libya. So, pick whichever one you want, and I'll meet you out back of this thread after school.

 

[ElsiePeaRN]

Let me clarify my stance on the chicks, it is not that they made a statement about Bush it was the fact that it seemed very unpatriotic.

Defining what is "patriotic" is very subjective thing. People who were opposed to putting our young men and women in harm's way in Iraq, and were verbal about it, saw themselves as very patriotic. The word "patriot" has some of the same difficulties as considering the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter I guess.

Some of my favorite "patriotism" quotes fit here:

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." ~Edward Abby

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." ~Mark Twain

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" ~Unknown

You have troubles at home, you keep them at home just my

Kind of hard when we are fighting wars in other countries, and the people in yet other countries (for whom the Chicks were perfomring) had some very strong negative opinions about what we were doing.

In case you can't tell, I thought he Chicks got a raw deal. Their brand of "patriotism" brought them a huge negative reaction from another brand of "patriotism." With all due respect to those who disagree, I prefer the Chicks' brand.