Another gun store robbed. Time for a law change.

[Tanfodude]

Too bad, all these stolen guns are either going to be in the black market, sold to the gangs in Chiraq or any places where shootings are frequent. Then Indiana is going to get blamed by the anti-gun.

This isn't the first time that a vehicle is used to ram a gun store. How come gun stores aren't still installing those steel posts on soft areas/entrances?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

This isn't the first time that a vehicle is used to ram a gun store. How come gun stores aren't still installing those steel posts on soft areas/entrances?

Did you read the thread?

 

[Dirtebiker]

Like putting machine guns in a trailer behind a business, maybe?

Yep, you got me. That's one?

I heard that all or most of the guns were recovered but that there was a chance Andrew will not get them back. Anyone know anything about this?
Is there any reason that authoritys can stop the legal owner from getting his stolen items back?

 

[KJQ6945]

This thread is truly comical, in an embarrassing sort of way.

If a gun store installed a $50,000 dollar vault capable of holding the entire inventory, they would be boycotted by most of the membership of INGO because they raised the price of a Glock by a nickel.

The people crying for the extra security are probably the same ones that buy online then start a thread, "who has the cheapest transfer fee".

Maybe they are the ones that always post on the first page of any, "what high dollar AR brand should I buy?". "They all suck, I spent $400 dollars at PSA and got a better rifle."

People amaze me.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Too bad, all these stolen guns are either going to be in the black market, sold to the gangs in Chiraq or any places where shootings are frequent. Then Indiana is going to get blamed by the anti-gun.

This isn't the first time that a vehicle is used to ram a gun store. How come gun stores aren't still installing those steel posts on soft areas/entrances?

What "soft areas"?
there are steel ballards around most of the building. There are steel roll up doors that block all windows and doors. There are 20-30 cameras around the building. What else would you expect of a business owner?

 

[KJQ6945]

What "soft areas"?
there are steel ballards around most of the building. There are steel roll up doors that block all windows and doors. There are 20-30 cameras around the building. What else would you expect of a business owner?

Better security and free guns!
next question.

 

[jagee]

Better security and free guns!
next question.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Just for fun, I read some old threads on police vehicles broken into and weapons stolen. Oddly, the tone was quite different...and no one jumped in with "victim blaming" when words like "fools" were tossed out. I also got to see a neat spat between some long term members prior to me signing up, which was interesting.

Look, security is a sliding scale. I don't think it's too much to ask to make a reasonable effort to secure weapons and ammunition. Cleanliness is also a sliding scale. I don't think it's too much to ask a restaurant to keep the kitchen clean enough to not Chipotle me into a bleeding colon. I understand in both circumstances that sometimes, despite due care, the efforts of safety are defeated. That doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and decide that all precautions are worthless. Why bother washing your hands before handling food? Someone will get sick eventually anyway...

I'm completely blown away by how something this simple, something in which reasonable minds can differ on where the line is drawn, results in some of the statements in this thread.

 

[Tanfodude]

Did you read the thread?

Nope. And it's my turn to have a knee jerk reaction.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

Ok*** after having read the WHOLE damn rambling thread, I still have two thoughts.
A My original thought. Stop letting violent felons out within days or hours of their latest arrest. Close the revolving door.
B Due diligence on the shop owners' parts is common sense. As a matter of common sense, it is NOT something which we need more laws for.

 

[Hookeye]

My guess is that the folks doing this kind of robbery...........are not strangers to the criminal justice system.

REPEAT offenders...............there's the problem.

 

[chezuki]

Just for fun, I read some old threads on police vehicles broken into and weapons stolen. Oddly, the tone was quite different...and no one jumped in with "victim blaming" when words like "fools" were tossed out. I also got to see a neat spat between some long term members prior to me signing up, which was interesting.

Lol, detectives gon' detect.

 

[indiucky]

Lol, detectives gon' detect.

 

[Vigilant]

What do you all think.

I think that after what you propose is implemented, and the prices of firearms, ammo, and accessories, are adjusted accordingly, you're going to post a complaint post on INGO about how expensive all the stuff at the LGS is! Here's a thought, let's tell everyone of these useless scum to quit taking others' property? And when these dirtbags are caught, and we've seen that they've been on the "catch and release" plan of our local court systems for years, why don't we then blame the police for not arresting them good enough?(Not meant as a police slight, just an absurd answer to an absurd solution.)

 

[MarkC]

. . . Look, security is a sliding scale. I don't think it's too much to ask to make a reasonable effort to secure weapons and ammunition. . . .
I'm completely blown away by how something this simple, something in which reasonable minds can differ on where the line is drawn, results in some of the statements in this thread.

^^^^^ Everything is a tradeoff, such as how secure vs. how expensive. BBI uses that magic word a couple of times: REASONABLE.

So much in life is a decision on where to put the line when dealing with matters that require judgment.

 

[MarkC]

A former co-worker who owns a gun shop in Martinsville uses this very unobtrusive and attractive method of preventing vehicles smashing through his front window:

 

[Vigilant]

A former co-worker who owns a gun shop in Martinsville uses this very unobtrusive and attractive method of preventing vehicles smashing through his front window:

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Useless, a SmartCar will squeeze right on through the doorway!

 

[jgressley2003]

I say put electric fence inside the gun cases. 480V should suffice.

 

[223 Gunner]

Yep, you got me. That's one?

I heard that all or most of the guns were recovered but that there was a chance Andrew will not get them back. Anyone know anything about this?
Is there any reason that authoritys can stop the legal owner from getting his stolen items back?

I think maybe a year prior to the machine gun theft, he had left some silencers in his car in his driveway that were stolen.
I can see where the ATF may be a little reluctant to let him have his weapons back. I'm not saying they should keep them, but I can see the hesitation.
I think he also started a "go fund me" page to help with legal fees to get his weapons back.

 

[Dirtebiker]

I think maybe a year prior to the machine gun theft, he had left some silencers in his car in his driveway that were stolen.
I can see where the ATF may be a little reluctant to let him have his weapons back. I'm not saying they should keep them, but I can see the hesitation.
I think he also started a "go fund me" page to help with legal fees to get his weapons back.

Yes, he had a prior theft from his truck (in his driveway, I believe).
But under what authority can they refuse returning HIS guns?