Anonymous engages attack on Israel Apartheid State

[hornadylnl]

In retrospect, allowing Afghanistan to have become a SSR, not arming Egypt with F-16s and Abrams tanks and warships, and not doing likewise with Turkey which is turning in an unsettling direction (in addition to invading Cyprus) likely would have been good decisions. Not strong-arming Israel into giving back territory it won in its wars would have been a good decision. Not strong-arming Israel into giving up on taking out Hezbollah when it could have been done much more easily than at the present would have been a good decision. Not strong-arming Israel into accepting peace accords with people who intend no more or less than using them as a reprieve in which to gear up for conflict would have been a good decision (Jimmy, Bill, you hear that?). Not strong-arming Israel into doing little or nothing about rockets being lobbed into its cities would be a good decision. Not strong-arming Israel into doing nothing about Iran's nuclear program in spite of remarkably clear threats regarding the intended use of the nuclear weapons with which Iran simultaneously threatens Israel and denies constructing.

All things considered, we really haven't accomplished much positive for the cause of peace.

Are you assuming that was ever the goal?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Are you assuming that was ever the goal?

In reality, probably not. I am just in a good enough mood today to give a little benefit of the doubt relative to the claimed intent.

 

[hornadylnl]

In reality, probably not. I am just in a good enough mood today to give a little benefit of the doubt relative to the claimed intent.

Usually when junior sticks his finger in the light socket, he doesn't forget and never does it again. If he continues to do it, you either have to question whether he's retarded or come to the realization that he enjoys it.

We continue to poke the tiger and wonder why we get bit.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Usually when junior sticks his finger in the light socket, he doesn't forget and never does it again. If he continues to do it, you either have to question whether he's retarded or come to the realization that he enjoys it.

We continue to poke the tiger and wonder why we get bit.

In general it seems like a good explanation, but as we learned in the early years of our republic, you cannot play nice with people who refuse to play nice. Of course, that doesn't mean that you have to pick up every fight that exists or can be started.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Usually when junior sticks his finger in the light socket, he doesn't forget and never does it again. If he continues to do it, you either have to question whether he's retarded or come to the realization that he enjoys it.

We continue to poke the tiger and wonder why we get bit.

You and some others here seem to see all the United States' actions in a vacuum, as if no other country in the world had political/economic/strategic/cultural interests in other countries; as if no other country ever interfered in another country's affairs except the US; as if the US never had any legitimate international interests and no other country had intentions that should have been opposed. While the US has made terrible mistakes in foreign policy over the years (and the State Department should be dismantled and all senior officials should be staked out on anthills, IMO), we are hardly the only ones who have meddled and we've frequently had good reason - or at least plausible reason - to do so.

Isolationism isn't a rational strategy in a world which can be circumnavigated in hours rather than months and where war can be so devastating that survivors would be few, but some of you are perfectly willing to throw long-standing allies under the bus because they're made unpopular by folks whose opinions you would otherwise ignore as being irrelevant or irretrievably stupid.

 

[popsmoke]

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I'm pretty sure we were not in Asscrackistan before 9/11.

Well... not in a occupational sense, but we were there. Remember the 80s, when our Special Forces were training Bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan? We gave them training, money, weapons... of course, he was still the good guy back then, because they were fighting the spread of Communism with us.

It wasn't until later that he turned into a little ****, and started biting the hand that fed.

 

[hornadylnl]

You and some others here seem to see all the United States' actions in a vacuum, as if no other country in the world had political/economic/strategic/cultural interests in other countries; as if no other country ever interfered in another country's affairs except the US; as if the US never had any legitimate international interests and no other country had intentions that should have been opposed. While the US has made terrible mistakes in foreign policy over the years (and the State Department should be dismantled and all senior officials should be staked out on anthills, IMO), we are hardly the only ones who have meddled and we've frequently had good reason - or at least plausible reason - to do so.

Isolationism isn't a rational strategy in a world which can be circumnavigated in hours rather than months and where war can be so devastating that survivors would be few, but some of you are perfectly willing to throw long-standing allies under the bus because they're made unpopular by folks whose opinions you would otherwise ignore as being irrelevant or irretrievably stupid.

Ah, the "but Jimmy did it too!" defense.

You and others seem to want to ignore all the bad things we do to others and act as those everything bad that happens to us was unprovoked.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Ah, the "but Jimmy did it too!" defense.

You and others seem to want to ignore all the bad things we do to others and act as those everything bad that happens to us was unprovoked.

In a very real sense, "Jimmy did it too!" applies to international relations. None of what we have done as a country has been done in a vacuum and we have "been done to" about as much as "we have done" to others. This is rather like the "Libertarians vs the Republicans" argument elsewhere; it's very easy to point out the flaws in others' actions when you don't have any skin in the game or any track record to be called to account for.

 

[hornadylnl]

In a very real sense, "Jimmy did it too!" applies to international relations. None of what we have done as a country has been done in a vacuum and we have "been done to" about as much as "we have done" to others. This is rather like the "Libertarians vs the Republicans" argument elsewhere; it's very easy to point out the flaws in others' actions when you don't have any skin in the game or any track record to be called to account for.

Just nukem.

Lets run guns out of an embassy on foreign soil and act surprised when the enemy of those who we ran the guns to attacks us. Then we can call for turning our attackers into glass. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Staalbund]

Do they realize who they are messing with? I would not wanna be pissing off Israel. They actually will **** up their enemies and not take crap, unlike the United States of Obama who will just bend over and welcome an assault.

Anon announced they were going to DDOS Israel so Israel hackers took the initiative and hacked the Anon website changing it into an Israel truth site XD

Hacker wars can be so amusing

 

[Trooper]

Well... not in a occupational sense, but we were there. Remember the 80s, when our Special Forces were training Bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan? We gave them training, money, weapons... of course, he was still the good guy back then, because they were fighting the spread of Communism with us.

It wasn't until later that he turned into a little ****, and started biting the hand that fed.

Except that Bin Laden was not there during the Russian occupation. He wa a pampered Arab rich boy who sends others to do his dirty work.

The group we worked with were the Mujahideen who became the Northern Alliance during the Taliban rule. The Taliban were formed far later, after the Russians left. And al Qa'eda was mostly an Arab organization that used Afghanistan as a training ground when the Taliban was in control.

 

[dross]

Just nukem.

Lets run guns out of an embassy on foreign soil and act surprised when the enemy of those who we ran the guns to attacks us. Then we can call for turning our attackers into glass. Wash, rinse, repeat.

It feels like it's been so very long since we've agreed about anything. Wait...you weren't being sarcastic were you?

 

[rhino]

Except that Bin Laden was not there during the Russian occupation. He wa a pampered Arab rich boy who sends others to do his dirty work.

The group we worked with were the Mujahideen who became the Northern Alliance during the Taliban rule. The Taliban were formed far later, after the Russians left. And al Qa'eda was mostly an Arab organization that used Afghanistan as a training ground when the Taliban was in control.

Don't confuse the issue with logic and facts!