2024 Deer Season

[Bleachey]

So as usual my sons aren't even close to ready for deer season. Well, one, the other has only hunted a couple times before and wants to get into it more. Now they are adults, the older boy is 30 who has only hunted a couple times, the other is 26 and has been hunting since he was 8 or 9.

Anyway the younger boy just told me that his bow is trashed. The other doesn't have one. The wife and I have been thinking about maybe getting them each one so they can hunt. A crossbow that is. I know there are people who don't like crossbows during archery, but it is legal so here we are. Found these at Rural King in Princeton. They had one each of camo and black left so we bought them. Did a little research, they aren't Ravin or even TenPoint, but they should work for a few years until they decide to spend their own money if they want fancy ones.

https://www.ruralking.com/search?searchTerm=x380

 

[66chevelle]

Well did anyone get a deer or even see one today. We had to run to Ohio and usually we see deer on 70 but we didn’t even see a deer today.

 

[Floivanus]

Yeah, son got a deer today. On public land.

Have to call and email a few places after being harrassed by a DNR officer who doesn’t understand 312 IAC 9-3-3 h) as it’s amended for this year, and the difference between “use” and “possession”. And the fact that I am allowed to “possess” that device when it will only be used for retrieval purposes

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Yeah, son got a deer today. On public land.

Have to call and email a few places after being harrassed by a DNR officer who doesn’t understand 312 IAC 9-3-3 h) as it’s amended for this year, and the difference between “use” and “possession”. And the fact that I am allowed to “possess” that device when it will only be used for retrieval purposes

(h) An individual must not use infrared sensors to locate or take deer. An individual must not hunt or retrieve deer with the aid of an infrared detector.

??

 

[greg]

(h) An individual must not use infrared sensors to locate or take deer. An individual must not hunt or retrieve deer with the aid of an infrared detector.

??

That changed this year but the possession and use part may need to be cleared up

• Allows hunters to use an infrared sensor to retrieve a legally taken (dead) deer.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

That changed this year but the possession and use part may need to be cleared up

• Allows hunters to use an infrared sensor to retrieve a legally taken (dead) deer.

That's what I was wondering. I guess I found the older version of the regulation.

 

[greg]

 

[El Conquistador]

Me and my grandson was out all but about 2 hours yesterday in a blind and never saw a deer. It stopped raining and are now in a tree stand. Hopefully they will be moving today.
Good luck to all youts out today.

 

[Floivanus]

(h) An individual must not use infrared sensors to locate or take deer. An individual must not hunt or retrieve deer with the aid of an infrared detector.

??

(H) an individual may not use an infrared sensor to aid in taking a deer.

The rule was expressly amended to allow the use to retrieve a dead deer, there is NO prohibition on the simple possession during a hunt anywhere in Indiana code (the next section (i) was even amended to remove “possess” from the electronic caller prohibition)

DNR is arguing that you “could” be using it for the pursuit and taking of a deer, which is a thought crime and not backed by the code

 

[greg]

(H) an individual may not use an infrared sensor to aid in taking a deer.

The rule was expressly amended to allow the use to retrieve a dead deer, there is NO prohibition on the simple possession during a hunt anywhere in Indiana code (the next section (i) was even amended to remove “possess” from the electronic caller prohibition)

DNR is arguing that you “could” be using it for the pursuit and taking of a deer, which is a thought crime and not backed by the code

I could see that if you were openly carrying it when hunting...now if it was in a bag different story IMO

 

[cg21]

I had the worst opening day since I started taking the kids out 3 years ago. Complete goat rodeo anything that could go wrong did. Saw tons of deer had shots….. nothing else worked out though. No deer back at it this morning

 

[Floivanus]

I could see that if you were openly carrying it when hunting...now if it was in a bag different story IMO

There’s no language prohibiting the carrying of it, only the USE for locating or taking a deer, retrieval is expressly permitted.

It’s the same as carrying a handgun while archery hunting or assisting in a hunt, you “could” use that handgun to illegally kill an animal, but that doesn’t mean you can’t legally carry it.

The rule was also changed this year to remove “possess” from the electronic caller section, meaning you “could” have one in the field, as long as you don’t use it for hunting deer. Later in the season you could use it for a fox or coyote for example. Just because you “could” miss-use or abuse something doesn’t mean you will or are going to.

Rules are rules, and if you’re following them, there shouldn’t be any repercussions, or threats of repercussions for doing something you are legally allowed to do.

 

[greg]

There’s no language prohibiting the carrying of it, only the USE for locating or taking a deer, retrieval is expressly permitted.

It’s the same as carrying a handgun while archery hunting or assisting in a hunt, you “could” use that handgun to illegally kill an animal, but that doesn’t mean you can’t legally carry it.

The rule was also changed this year to remove “possess” from the electronic caller section, meaning you “could” have one in the field, as long as you don’t use it for hunting deer. Later in the season you could use it for a fox or coyote for example. Just because you “could” miss-use or abuse something doesn’t mean you will or are going to.

Rules are rules, and if you’re following them, there shouldn’t be any repercussions, or threats of repercussions for doing something you are legally allowed to do.

Why wouldn't you just carry it out of sight until it's needed? Is someone saying it can't be carried in the field?

Personally, I believe it should never been legal anyway but legislators bypassed the DNR for drones so they included handheld devices also. And here we are……

 

[Floivanus]

Why wouldn't you just carry it out of sight until it's needed? Is someone saying it can't be carried in the field?

Personally, I believe it should never been legal anyway but legislators bypassed the DNR for drones so they included handheld devices also. And here we are……

Well, aside from “hunting deer” they’ve always been legal to carry in the field, and a major plus side to their use, on public land especially, is the ability to see other hunters who’ve encroached on your hunting area, a great example being during spring turkey where there’s NO orange, everyone is completely camouflaged and hiding behind the most realistic decoys money can buy; for MY safety, and theirs, a way to see if there’s a human hiding behind that strutting Tom; or stalking towards me in the trees, towards my decoys and myself is an absolute MUST in my opinion.

Secondly, concealing something that is legal to use would absolutely make things look at least a little more suspect to a LEO in my experience, and when DNR decided it was an issue was when the deer was being drug out of the field, a textbook example of “retrieval” which again, IF it was deployed at that time, it would have been during the legally allowed time period.

 

[model1994]

Well, aside from “hunting deer” they’ve always been legal to carry in the field, and a major plus side to their use, on public land especially, is the ability to see other hunters who’ve encroached on your hunting area, a great example being during spring turkey where there’s NO orange, everyone is completely camouflaged and hiding behind the most realistic decoys money can buy; for MY safety, and theirs, a way to see if there’s a human hiding behind that strutting Tom; or stalking towards me in the trees, towards my decoys and myself is an absolute MUST in my opinion.

Secondly, concealing something that is legal to use would absolutely make things look at least a little more suspect to a LEO in my experience, and when DNR decided it was an issue was when the deer was being drug out of the field, a textbook example of “retrieval” which again, IF it was deployed at that time, it would have been during the legally allowed time period.

how much does something like that set you back for a good one (recommend any?)? after hearing your perspective I’m interested - I never really considered using it in such beneficial ways. I’m all for adding safety

 

[greg]

Well, aside from “hunting deer” they’ve always been legal to carry in the field, and a major plus side to their use, on public land especially, is the ability to see other hunters who’ve encroached on your hunting area, a great example being during spring turkey where there’s NO orange, everyone is completely camouflaged and hiding behind the most realistic decoys money can buy; for MY safety, and theirs, a way to see if there’s a human hiding behind that strutting Tom; or stalking towards me in the trees, towards my decoys and myself is an absolute MUST in my opinion.

Secondly, concealing something that is legal to use would absolutely make things look at least a little more suspect to a LEO in my experience, and when DNR decided it was an issue was when the deer was being drug out of the field, a textbook example of “retrieval” which again, IF it was deployed at that time, it would have been during the legally allowed time period.

So people are carrying a drone when when hunting but not using it? I think I lost you on what device is being used!

A CO told someone they couldn’t possess a device in the field?

BTW….I thought the use of drones on(public land)Indiana Department of Natural Resources (DNR) property such as state parks, natural and recreational areas is by permission/permit ONLY.

 

[BigMoose]

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This crap right here is why I shoot pigs in Texas. I feel like I need a lawyer with if I were to hunt for deer here. I support hunting here. But jeeez.

Compared to...
"To encourage hunters to shoot more pigs, TPWD has made the regulations simple and easy to follow. In Texas, hunters on private property do not need a hunting license to pursue pigs however, a license is still required to hunt public land. Feral hogs have also been classified as an unprotected species which means there are no restrictions on bag limits, seasons, shooting light hours, or method of take."

.. and before I someone asks, Yes I have seen a beltfed used to blast hogs..

 

[bgcatty]

Couldn’t agree more with Big Moose!
The hunting regulations across the board are so onerous you do need a lawyer to figure them out. All this is compounded by idiotic bureaucrats changing the rules willy nilly every two minutes.