1936 Tula 91/30 possible SCW heritage

[Miller Tyme]

On a roll now, picked this 36 Tula up on the hunch that it is of SCW heritage. While it has none of the definative features of a SCW rifle it is a typical non refurbed mix master, no import mark, has a SN that is only 224 off of a known Tula SCW 91/30, and has a rather odd finish on the Izhevsk stock it is in, but not the hand gaurd. The finish has been on the rifle for a very long time and the rifle has had some heavy use after it was applied as evidenced by the wear on the finish ( see pics). I am intrested in hearing what everyone thoughts are on this rifle.

 

[william]

What is SCW?

 

[Mosinguy]

What is SCW?

Spanish Civil War.

 

[Miller Tyme]

What is SCW?

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Spanish Civil War, 1936-1939. The USSR supplied weapons to the Republican Forces for there fight against the Fascist forces of Gen. Franco


Spanish Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mosinguy]

I don't think it is a rifle that is affiliated with the SCW. Any marks anywhere that tell it apart from the normal Soviet marks? The refinished stock is throwing me. Where'd you get it? It could possibly be some sort of bring-back from a war.

 

[Miller Tyme]

I don't think it is a rifle that is affiliated with the SCW. Any marks anywhere that tell it apart from the normal Soviet marks? The refinished stock is throwing me. Where'd you get it? It could possibly be some sort of bring-back from a war.

Nothing that make it stand out except the finish on the stock isn't the type of schellac the Russians used nor the pine tar the Finns used, it looks a lot like the finish on my refurbed 53 Romanian M44. The big things are the lack of a Import stamp so its pre 1968 import, and it is from a know block of SCW Mosins. As a matter of fact the SN is only 224 off of a comfirmed SCW Mosin Nagant. But I have to agree the stock finish is baffling.

 

[jeepfreek]

Part of the fun of owning a Mosin is trying to figure out it's history.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I'm not seeing any pics...

 

[Mosinguy]

Nothing that make it stand out except the finish on the stock isn't the type of schellac the Russians used nor the pine tar the Finns used, it looks a lot like the finish on my refurbed 53 Romanian M44. The big things are the lack of a Import stamp so its pre 1968 import, and it is from a know block of SCW Mosins. As a matter of fact the SN is only 224 off of a comfirmed SCW Mosin Nagant. But I have to agree the stock finish is baffling.

I wouldn't rely on the serial numbers on Mosins. I've seen a few that were the same year and same manufacturer and they have the same serial number. I think what you have is a bring-back and was refinished here in the states. However...what do Chinese Mosin stocks look like? Maybe it's a Vietcong rifle.

I'm thinking aloud here, but that stock definitely has a T53 color to it.

 

[Miller Tyme]

I wouldn't rely on the serial numbers on Mosins. I've seen a few that were the same year and same manufacturer and they have the same serial number. I think what you have is a bring-back and was refinished here in the states. However...what do Chinese Mosin stocks look like? Maybe it's a Vietcong rifle.

I'm thinking aloud here, but that stock definitely has a T53 color to it.

Just chatted heard from a guy over on Teds site that has a SCW Dragoon with the same stock finnish...............the plot thickens!

 

[johntheplinker]

Odd looking finish. Almost looks like it was stored somewhere really warm. Bad thing about SCW rifles is there is so much variation to them that it can be hard to say sometimes if one is or isn't from that era.

 

[Atlas]

I doubt it is SCW.I've had a Remington mosin that went through SCW and it was marked by spain after they defeated the socialist uprising. To my knowledge, most rifles captured from the leftist forces by nationalists at the wake of the war were either destroyed or marked and stored until they were surplused out. Also, I do believe the USSR send earlier Mosins in first, to dump out the older used weapons.

The cruddy finish is more likely to come from Asia or some african nation that was buddies with USSR during the cold war and took a shipment.

 

[Miller Tyme]

I doubt it is SCW.I've had a Remington mosin that went through SCW and it was marked by spain after they defeated the socialist uprising. To my knowledge, most rifles captured from the leftist forces by nationalists at the wake of the war were either destroyed or marked and stored until they were surplused out. Also, I do believe the USSR send earlier Mosins in first, to dump out the older used weapons.

The cruddy finish is more likely to come from Asia or some african nation that was buddies with USSR during the cold war and took a shipment.

Not all SCW rifles where mark " Made in USSR/URRS", in fact this marking wasn't eeven put on the rifles until they where ready for shipment to the US in the late 50's. As for only shipping "old rifles" it is well documented that large blocks of 1936 & 1937 91/30's where pulled from the production lines for shipment to Spain.

here is a great link on SCW MN's The Spanish Civil War Mosin Nagant - Home

And heres a link to a SCW 91/30 that is clearly a SCW rifle, but isn't stamped in anyway by the Spainards.