Mr. Jefferson Would Not Approve

[mrjarrell]

Of the force used against peaceful people at his memorial. They weren't disturbing anyone, as far as I can see. Of course, most of the people were disturbed by the actions of the park police. When will this crap end?

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[Hammerhead]

So, what's the story with this?

And I love how the JBT picks the guy dancing up and slams him into the ground at 1:03.

 

[E5RANGER375]

thats another reason i carry cuff keys on me. so many cops are doing a fine job of turning citizens against them for actions like these. heavens forbid you tick off some cops or express your right to expose their stupid illegal and anti-american actions. respect their authorit'eh america ... in between the laughter

id love to have a cop throw me around like that. cha ching!

too bad the crowd didnt ban together to resist this tyranny together as Americans. when will people understand the concept of superior numbers?

 

[Bond 281]

Just another isolated incident. Nothing to see here.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Just another isolated incident. Nothing to see here.

yep, just like the thug police at the state house that try to intimidate the most law abiding citizens there are, GUN OWNERS!

I hear a lot of TALK about refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws and rules, and then I see police escorting good citizens off state property for being armed. yeah! save the day hero's! real american heros are the cops who dont harass and intimidate legal gun owners.

I have no doubt in my mind that when the police departments get their marching orders from the feds to take away our guns or illegally enter our homes or lock us away in camps "for our own safety" there will be no shortage of police ready and willing to get their paycheck to do it. im fed up with it!

 

[firehawk1]

When will this crap end?

It won't. Sorry it is WAY too far gone for any sane person to truly expect it to change. Change back to what, the "way it was"? What exactly is that? For our form of govenment to exist, the populace HAS to have some sort of a base of morality, and that IS NOT being able to just do as you please. One of the Founders expressed exactly that, Franklin I think. I'm not saying everyone has to be a Bible thumping zelot at all, but we all must have a sense of right and wrong. Again, just doing as you please and not wanting anyone to hold you accountable for anything is not it. People didn't live their lives, or society didn't condone that back in the late 1700's when our founding documents were written either.

I have brought this up several times, and while I/we b***h about all this no one has ever been able to rationally convey HOW we would change it. It's obvious that voting will not work. No matter who I/we like, it will be a Democrat or Republican voted in office November 2012. No way anyone is just going to march to Washington and throw out the bums either. So I ask again, HOW do you think this is/can going to change?

 

[Stschil]

I think I'm gonna

 

[mrjarrell]

So, what's the story with this?

And I love how the JBT picks the guy dancing up and slams him into the ground at 1:03.

As I recall it originates about a year or 3 ago, when a group of people (mostly libertarians) showed up at the memorial one night to celebrate Mr. Jefferson's birthday. They had iPods and earplugs in, so as not to disturb anyone that might be there and were just dancing around. There were no tourists there, due to the hour. They were accosted by the park police and a couple of them were arrested. For dancing.
Fast forward to the last month or two and the courts rendered a decision that said dancing was verbotten at the Jefferson Memorial (and one assumes other memorials, as well). This group was engaging in civil disobedience, as far as I can tell. And they were accosted by the park police for engaging in a harmless activity.

Dancing protestors arrested at the Jefferson Memorial - WTOP.com

http://dcist.com/2008/04/14/woman_arrested.php

Urban Dance Squad - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

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[Bond 281]

It won't. Sorry it is WAY too far gone for any sane person to truly expect it to change. Change back to what, the "way it was"? What exactly is that? For our form of govenment to exist, the populace HAS to have some sort of a base of morality, and that IS NOT being able to just do as you please. One of the Founders expressed exactly that, Franklin I think. I'm not saying everyone has to be a Bible thumping zelot at all, but we all must have a sense of right and wrong. Again, just doing as you please and not wanting anyone to hold you accountable for anything is not it. People didn't live their lives, or society didn't condone that back in the late 1700's when our founding documents were written either.

I have brought this up several times, and while I/we b***h about all this no one has ever been able to rationally convey HOW we would change it. It's obvious that voting will not work. No matter who I/we like, it will be a Democrat or Republican voted in office November 2012. No way anyone is just going to march to Washington and throw out the bums either. So I ask again, HOW do you think this is/can going to change?

I think before too long we'll have an economic collapse. Maybe we can salvage something out of that.

Ranger, sadly I think you're right. I guess the real question will be where the breaking point is.

 

[mrjarrell]

So I ask again, HOW do you think this is/can going to change?

We're not allowed to discuss the only options that may well be left to us, if we wish to save this country.

 

[E5RANGER375]

We're not allowed to discuss the only options that may well be left to us, if we wish to save this country.

yep. and if we talk about the police that are out of control then we are ridiculed and called names and made targets and called anti-police and have to hear wining from holster sniffers or cops that just go along with the program ... follow the orders ... etc. im just thankful that the breaking point will come sooner than later (economic or whatever). i wanna fix this country before my child grows up in this police state, and mockery of a republic. beware of false patriots no matter what uniform they are wearing.

 

[firehawk1]

We're not allowed to discuss the only options that may well be left to us, if we wish to save this country.

I understand that, and know what you're refering to. But... do you REALLY think that is, or could be a viable option? Anything like that would be crushed without mercy as it would feed right into the media's playbook. The media has shaped public opinion into thinking a true Patriot is nothing more than a terrorist.

This is why I say IMO it is too far gone to salvage anything remotely like what our country was founded on.

 

[jsharmon7]

Here is the U.S. Court of Appeals decision regarding why dancing in the memorial is forbidden:

It is "prohibited because it stands out as a type of performance, creating its own center of attention and distracting from the atmosphere of solemn commemoration that the Regulations are designed to preserve."

 

[E5RANGER375]

Here is the U.S. Court of Appeals decision regarding why dancing in the memorial is forbidden:

It is "prohibited because it stands out as a type of performance, creating its own center of attention and distracting from the atmosphere of solemn commemoration that the Regulations are designed to preserve."

nothing against you jsharmon7, but when a courts ruling is so stupid and an excessive abuse of its authority granted by the people .... then who gives a flying **** what they say. at that point resistance becomes duty! just like the recent indiana supreme court ruling. they can kiss my buttocks!

 

[Bond 281]

I understand that, and know what you're refering to. But... do you REALLY think that is, or could be a viable option? Anything like that would be crushed without mercy as it would feed right into the media's playbook. The media has shaped public opinion into thinking a true Patriot is nothing more than a terrorist.

This is why I say IMO it is too far gone to salvage anything remotely like what our country was founded on.

That's why I think it'll take an economic collapse and depression and all that before we can fix it.

 

[ElsiePeaRN]

America has become great at this-- honor a flag so much that you **** all over what it stands for. Erect Memorials to great men with great ideas and honor the memorial by crapping all over the ideas. I don't get it.

 

[jsharmon7]

nothing against you jsharmon7, but when a courts ruling is so stupid and an excessive abuse of its authority granted by the people .... then who gives a flying **** what they say. at that point resistance becomes duty! just like the recent indiana supreme court ruling. they can kiss my buttocks!

I gave no opinion on it. I just thought some folks might be interested to at least see the court's reasoning, good or bad.

 

[mrjarrell]

That's why I think it'll take an economic collapse and depression and all that before we can fix it.

Perhaps. But the main problem is that we've been experiencing a drop in crime over the last 30 years, (and a nice drop in the last 10) and yet, police forces have expanded. In a real business when numbers drop, you lay off people, not add them. This has become a serious problem. As a country we have more cops than we need and no-one wants to point out the obvious fact that we need to downsize that profession. Seriously.

There are as of 2006, 683,396 full time state, city, university and college, metropolitan and non-metropolitan county, and other law enforcement officers in the United States. There are approx. 120,000 full time law enforcement personnel working for the federal government adding up to a total number of 800,000 law enforcement personnel in the U.S.

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[SirRealism]

Rev. Shaw Moore has a gun and badge.

 

[88GT]

It won't. Sorry it is WAY too far gone for any sane person to truly expect it to change. Change back to what, the "way it was"? What exactly is that? For our form of govenment to exist, the populace HAS to have some sort of a base of morality, and that IS NOT being able to just do as you please. One of the Founders expressed exactly that, Franklin I think. I'm not saying everyone has to be a Bible thumping zelot at all, but we all must have a sense of right and wrong. Again, just doing as you please and not wanting anyone to hold you accountable for anything is not it. People didn't live their lives, or society didn't condone that back in the late 1700's when our founding documents were written either.

I have brought this up several times, and while I/we b***h about all this no one has ever been able to rationally convey HOW we would change it. It's obvious that voting will not work. No matter who I/we like, it will be a Democrat or Republican voted in office November 2012. No way anyone is just going to march to Washington and throw out the bums either. So I ask again, HOW do you think this is/can going to change?

Ironically, I think it IS being able to do exactly as you please, so long as whatever pleases you doesn't infringe on someone else's ability to do the same.

The only morality we need to adhere to is the morality of freedom. Everything else plays a second fiddle in this particular regard.