Do normal people care about Indiana being last state to outlaw alcohol on Sunday

[ryancantshoot]

What do you think?

 

[Twangbanger]

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Hoosiers are a bit slow to learn. After all, we sent Dick Lugar back to Washington for years and years.

But the Sunday alcohol thing is not really about conservatism, anymore. (Remember the casinos / horse tracks issue?) If it ever got put on a ballot, we'd have Sunday alcohol in a Muncie Minute. As with most things that defy logic, now it's mainly about one particular industry group whose effectiveness at lobbying is out of all proportion to their numbers, and lawmakers who are afraid to pizz them off for no apparent political gain. A friend of mine's dad was a bigshot lobbyist for this industry, and having heard the inside stories he's told me, I really believe that a certain number of people with certain loyalties will simply have to die off, for change to finally happen.

If we want it to change sooner, voters have to show we give a shizz. This issue really doesn't affect very many people, very seriously. Nobody really has their back up about it. So, it's just easier for politicians to follow the path of least resistance, which means: "honor old loyalties," and stick with people who stuck with them in the past. If they try to change it, they will have angry, motivated industry people at their door immediately. If they do nothing? Meh...another INGO thread once every 6 months.

 

[MCgrease08]

I grew up in PA, so I'm used to screwy alcohol laws. Did you know that PA is the single biggest buyer of alcohol in the world? That's because to buy liquor and wine you had to go to a state store. Yep, they are all owned by the state. And they don't sell beer. For beer, you have to go to a totally separate place, called a beer distributor.

I think they're loosened the rules a bit in recent years, but when I moved away in 2006 you couldn't get booze on Sunday. You also couldn't buy any alcohol in a grocery store, gas station or pharmacy. State store or beer distributor only. It's way more messed up than what we've got here.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I would think anyone adult enough to purchase alcohol would also have better things to worry about than the apparent lack of instant-gratification alcohol purchases on one day out of seven. Of course, I could be wrong about the maturity level of the average Indiana adult - but I'll bet I'm not.

 

[hornadylnl]

It's mostly driven by the liquor industry. They want their day off and they're not about to lose sales to places that are open 24/7.

The "conservatives" that won't "actively oppose" Sunday sales but won't work to change it don't help either.

 

[hopper68]

Don't drink so it doesn't matter to me but how much revenue is lost to people going out of state to buy on Sundays. Not just taxes but income from IN businesses.

 

[femurphy77]

Having lived in probably 20 of our great states and visited many of the others what defies logic to me is why the issue is an issue at all. The people that are pushing this the most are the ones that already have the infrastructure in place and the employees on hand on Sundays anyway. They have convinced "us" the alcohol consuming public that we are either too stupid to stock up on Saturday or such pathetic alcoholics that we "NEED" alcohol and can't wait until Monday since we drank todays alcohol yesterday.

I do believe that this WILL negatively effect the mom and pops and other smaller organizations that would then have to pay for staff and the other costs of operating this extra day for what?

But let's all jump on the "too much government" bandwagon and start chanting the corporate mantra so they corporations can make more money at no added expense. Just another example of who's REALLY running this country, big business.

Rant mode off.

 

[hornadylnl]

Don't drink so it doesn't matter to me but how much revenue is lost to people going out of state to buy on Sundays. Not just taxes but income from IN businesses.

People should buy all of it out of state until the liquor industry decides to drop their lobbyist bs.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Had some friends over from out of state that were amazed we couldn't go down to Kroger and pick up a 12 pack today, being a self-proclaimed free country and all.

So, go down to the microbrewery and buy a 12. Where are your friends from and we can talk about their goofy liquor laws. Please say Pennsylvania!

Who doesn't already have beer on hand? We ladies of Boston need not buy hats, we have our hats.

To me it highlights the delusion that most right wingers short Ron Paul are actually "small government." What Republicanism is today?

You mean the Republicans that are sponsoring the bill to repeal the one-day-off-a-week protection act?

 

[ryancantshoot]

Hoosiers are a little slow to learn. We sent Dick Lugar back to Washington for years and years.

But the Sunday alcohol thing is not really about conservatism, anymore. (Remember the casinos / horse tracks issue?) If it ever got put on a ballot, we'd have Sunday alcohol in a Muncie Minute, and the church crowd would be powerless to stop it. As with most things that defy logic, now it's mainly about one particular industry group whose effectiveness at lobbying is out of all proportion to their numbers, and lawmakers who are afraid to pizz them off for no apparent political gain. A friend of mine's dad was a bigshot lobbyist for this industry, and having heard the inside stories he's told me, I really believe that a certain number of people with certain loyalties will simply have to die off, for change to finally happen.

If we want it to change sooner, voters have to show we give a shizz. This issue really doesn't affect very many people, very seriously. Nobody really has their back up about it, so, it's just easier for politicians to follow the path of least resistance and honor old loyalties. If they try to change it, they will have angry, motivated industry people at their door immediately. If they do nothing? Meh...another INGO thread once every 6 months.

It's not about conservative political philosophy but neither is almost anything on today's Republican platform. It is about impotent "conservative" politicians who don't care enough to take a gamble for personal freedom. In practical application, what's the difference?

I would think anyone adult enough to purchase alcohol would also have better things to worry about than the apparent lack of instant-gratification alcohol purchases on one day out of seven. Of course, I could be wrong about the maturity level of the average Indiana adult - but I'll bet I'm not.

I fail to the see the connection between maturity and a last-minute desire to share a twelve pack between friends on a day off.

It's not something that will ruin anybodies life. It's a little thing. But the principle of the matter is disgusting, particularly when Indiana politicians brand themselves under the guise of "keep government off our backs!"

Indiana Republican slogan should be "keep your government hands off my medicaid!" Or perhaps "end government hand-outs! Except for lobbying money, and the life-blood of our campaign every year since the 80's...Farm bill hand-outs! God Bless Amurrrica!"

 

[Hawkeye]

Agree on the Liquor Store Industry being the driver behind the no booze on Sunday rule. Their operating costs go up as they need to man their stores on Sunday. Marsh, Owens, Kroger, WalMart, etc aren;t really affected as they are already open. Just additional marginal sales for them.

 

[hornadylnl]

Since Sunday sales are a restriction on the people, STATES RYYYYEEEEEEETTTTTTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ryancantshoot]

Agree on the Liquor Store Industry being the driver behind the no booze on Sunday rule. Their operating costs go up as they need to man their stores on Sunday. Marsh, Owens, Kroger, WalMart, etc aren;t really affected as they are already open. Just additional marginal sales for them.

No question this is true. But the Republican governing body is responsible for bending over for them. Buck stops w/ them.

 

[ryancantshoot]

So, go down to the microbrewery and buy a 12. Where are your friends from and we can talk about their goofy liquor laws. Please say Pennsylvania!

Principle of matter.

 

[ModernGunner]

IIRC, there's an upcoming bill in Indiana just to repeal that very law.

As far as MJ legalization, don't know that it's 'inevitable'. Not sure how that'd really work, since they'd need to alter DUI laws, etc., and smoking is illegal in almost every business nowadays. Due to the 'contact high' possibility, it probably would also be prohibited in places that now allow smoking (like taverns), and DUI laws would also be applicable to those subjected to any 'contact high', even if they don't actually smoke at all.

 

[atvdave]

 

[MCgrease08]

So, go down to the microbrewery and buy a 12. Where are your friends from and we can talk about their goofy liquor laws. Please say Pennsylvania.

See post #3 above.

 

[MCgrease08]

IIRC, there's an upcoming bill in Indiana just to repeal that very law.

As far as MJ legalization, don't know that it's 'inevitable'. Not sure how that'd really work, since they'd need to alter DUI laws, etc., and smoking is illegal in almost every business nowadays. Due to the 'contact high' possibility, it probably would also be prohibited in places that now allow smoking (like taverns), and DUI laws would also be applicable to those subjected to any 'contact high', even if they don't actually smoke at all.

Contact high? Really?

 

[Ballstater98]

Born and raised it's just something we've always done. Like going to the 500, you get ready before. Just be prepared. Other states have "weird" alcohol rules too. I know of only a couple out-of-staters that have complained, but they get over it. I guess if they don't like what I have they can do without or make a long drive. If I know ahead of time, I can have their favorites available.
It's just a law that is outdated and needs to go away...like the beer sales limits. You can go into a store and only buy a limited amount of beer, but I can buy a pallet of whisky.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I was shocked to see Georgia went with Sunday beer sales. I was stationed there mid-late 80s: at midnight on Saturday sales stopped, even in bars. I was used to Indiana where you could order a beer at say, Pizza Hut on a Sunday. That was a big NO down there.